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What year did the GCWR increase to 22,000 lbs?
Quote from: Ed & Margee  - 
I did a quick comparison to our spec sheet (2009) and the 2017's GCWR is 22,000 lbs compared to our 20,000 lbs.  In addition, the 2017 CCC (2,943#) is less by about 150 lbs (3,095#).  WWV on the '17 is also a bit more than the '09.  So what year did the GCWR increase to 22,000 lbs?
I am trying to determine what year the GCWR increased to 22,000 lbs and found this same question came up here 3 years ago (thanks to the advanced search info) but was never answered. I thought the change happened in 2016 per the Pocket Guide but as someone on another forum pointed out Ford says it happened in the 2011 model year https://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/2011%20RV%20and%20Trailer%20Towing%20Guide.pdf . Is anyone able to confirm the actual year Lazy Daze began building on the 22,000 lbs chassis?
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Escapees SKP #138195
2007 23.5' Twin King
Re: What year did the GCWR increase to 22,000 lbs?
Reply #1 –
AFAIK, the gvwr of the 27' (and 31') increased from 14050 pounds to 14500 pounds in 2008; the gcvwr apparently increased from 20,000 pounds to 22,000 pounds in 2016.

Andy's original version of the 'Changes by Year' document included gvwr and gcvwr figures; was there some reason that these numbers were not included when the document was updated?
2003 TK has a new home
Re: What year did the GCWR increase to 22,000 lbs?
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Quote from: Joan  - 
AFAIK, the gvwr ...the gcvwr apparently increased from 20,000 pounds to 22,000 pounds in 2016.

The Ford 2011 Trailer and RV Towing Guide says the GCWR increase for the E450 V10 occurred during the 2011 model year as follows:

E-450 Super Duty Cutaway GCWRs:
– 5.4L V8/5R110W – 14,050 lbs.
– 6.8L V10/5R110W – 22,000 lbs.
REVISED NOV 8, 2010

Hence my inquiry. I'm dreaming/planning my next ride.
Harvest Hosts + Boondockers Welcome #23975
Escapees SKP #138195
2007 23.5' Twin King
Re: What year did the GCWR increase to 22,000 lbs?
Reply #3 –
So I fail to see why that increase from 20k# to 22k# is of any import?  RonB
RonB (Bostick) living in San Diego
Original owner of "Bluebelle" a '99 TKB
Re: What year did the GCWR increase to 22,000 lbs?
Reply #4 –
All I can say is that I looked at the LD spec sheets for the years in question (and the surrounding years) that are filed on Terry Tanner's Techsnoz Yahoo group site. This site is no longer updated, as far as I know; the material is still available, but one needs to subscribe to the group to access it, and I don't know if Terry is taking subscriptions.

However, from past experience with the capacity of the TK's black tank being erroneously listed for several years, it may be that LD didn't get around to changing the gcvwr numbers on its spec sheets from 20k pounds to 22k pounds until somebody either caught the error or they needed to reprint the spec sheets!

2003 TK has a new home
Re: What year did the GCWR increase to 22,000 lbs?
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Quote from: RonB  - 
So I fail to see why that increase from 20k# to 22k# is of any import?  RonB
Maybe not to you but It might be if one plans to tow. I see no harm in asking.

Based upon the data here I thought the increase to 22,000 lbs coincided with the implementation of the 6R140 6-speed transmission in the E450. Ford says not so. The info archived here in that regards would seem to be incorrect.


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2007 23.5' Twin King
Re: What year did the GCWR increase to 22,000 lbs?
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Quote from: Joan  - 
All I can say is that I looked at the LD spec sheets for the years in question (and the surrounding years) that are filed on Terry Tanner's Techsnoz Yahoo group site. This site is no longer updated, as far as I know; the material is still available, but one needs to subscribe to the group to access it, and I don't know if Terry is taking subscriptions.

I was subscribed to Terry's Techsnoz Yahoo group for a very long time and I can tell you there has been little or no activity for a very long time. I downloaded as much as I could that I felt beneficial to me and just recently killed my Yahoo account; it was a mess. Spam and phishing attempts all the time and security issues forced me to close the account.



Harvest Hosts + Boondockers Welcome #23975
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2007 23.5' Twin King
Re: What year did the GCWR increase to 22,000 lbs?
Reply #7 –
Charles and/or Donna. Your drivetrain could handle 7,500# (you would need a heat shield for some connector). That is a lot of towed vehicle. The bumper hitch would need a lot of work. Towing a boat?  RonB
RonB (Bostick) living in San Diego
Original owner of "Bluebelle" a '99 TKB
Re: What year did the GCWR increase to 22,000 lbs?
Reply #8 –
Quote from: RonB  - 
Your drivetrain could handle 7,500# (you would need a heat shield for some connector).
I've heard mention of that mythical heat shield and connector; can you provide the details and PNs?

Quote from: RonB  - 
The bumper hitch would need a lot of work.
Duh, of course.

Quote from: RonB  - 
Towing a boat?  RonB
You never know.

Charles

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2007 23.5' Twin King
Re: What year did the GCWR increase to 22,000 lbs?
Reply #9 –
While the GCWR was increased to 22,000-lbs, in 2011, I don't understand why it happened in year when there were no improvements to the chassis, the last chassis upgrade was in 2008. The frame, springs and brakes were not upsized in 2011.
Unless cooling improvement were made in 2011, It would seem the 2008-2010 E450s should also be rated a 22,000-lbs.

The only place I can see for an electrical heat shield is on the driver's side, at the bottom of exhaust manifold, there is a nearby bundle of wires and hoses that could overheat and melt, under high heat conditions.
I wasn't able to find any photos or part numbers of the heat shield, mentioned in the Ford 2011+ towing guides .
Your local Ford dealer should be able to supply the heat shield.

I wouldn't want to attempt pulling 7,500-lbs with any LD. Expect to spend long periods in the lower gears as well as having a shorter transmission life. Install the largest transmission  cooler available and watch the transmission temps, when towing.

Larry

Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze
Re: What year did the GCWR increase to 22,000 lbs?
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Quote from: Larry W  - 
While the GCWR was increased to 22,000-lbs, in 2011, I don't understand why it happened in year when there were no improvements to the chassis, the last chassis upgrade was in 2008. The frame, springs and brakes were not upsized in 2011.
Unless cooling improvement were made in 2011, It would seem the 2008-2010 E450s should also be rated a 22,000-lbs.

The only place I can see for an electrical heat shield is on the driver's side, at the bottom of exhaust manifold, there is a nearby bundle of wires and hoses that could overheat and melt, under high heat conditions.
I wasn't able to find any photos or part numbers of the heat shield, mentioned in the Ford 2011+ towing guides .
Your local Ford dealer should be able to supply the heat shield.

I wouldn't want to attempt pulling 7,500-lbs with any LD. Expect to spend long periods in the lower gears as well as having a shorter transmission life. Install the largest transmission  cooler available and watch the transmission temps, when towing.

Larry
Larry, thank you for your, as usual, helpful response.

I really have no intention of pulling anything that weighs close to 7,500 lbs. I just thought it unsettling that when I looked into the history of chassis changes/updates in my research for purchasing our next LD  I found one source  that I thought was valid that identified the year of the last GCWR increase. I quoted that source on another RV forum and was immediately corrected with Ford's actual published data.

Information here on this change is also "sketchy" and no one responded to Ed's question here from three years ago. So I posted the same question again in hope that someone would respond to help this forum present the correct information for others to use. It appears that Lazy Daze did not update their published data about the GCWR change when it occurred.

I will look into the heat shield issue at my local Ford dealership just to close this issue and will report back.

Charles

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