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Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #75 –
Thank you will do!
AlphPup
 2001 TK “Dazi”
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #76 –
I'm guessing it would need to be tempered, too?

Chip
2000 Front Lounge
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #77 –
I recently found that I have 3 or 4 of the dreaded foggy windows in my 2006 RB. I've read everything I can find on our forum related to this problem and have two questions. 1. It seems that it's extremely difficult to get the windows out of a Lazy Daze, even though they are installed with double sided foam tape. Is that because the windows are caulked after installation with 5200 or similar sealant? 2. Is it possible to replace the damaged dual pane windows with single pane glass? I'm afraid of a reoccurance of the fog with new dual pane windows. Have any of you done this? Thanks!
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #78 –
We have a 2006 IB. And have/had two fogged sliders in the living room. We had them repaired at RV Glass Coburg Or location. The place is huge. Used to be the Newmar factory.

To answer your specific questions against our experience and perhaps what LD did with Windows in 2006.

The window and its frame comes off.  To do this one unscrews from inside. Then finds a buddy to help haul it away after much gentle prying to get the exterior frame to release from the overspray of paint and the inevitable adhesion of the foam rubber to the frame over time in the elements. It is not double sided nor is it caulked with 5200 unless you have it done elsewhere.

Replacing the window with their replacement glass is not possible. The window thicknesses are of different dimension.

They use brand new screws painted black ahead of time to reinstall it. They use one sided foam as per original installation.

The official policy is to kick the customer out while they work. But since we have a cat and it was really hot they gave us a 110 feed and the bay is shaded. I stayed in the coach and watched.

Two windows took all day. One of ours is not warranted. One of the panes was warped from all four corners into the center. So we had them swap the frames and Windows side to side. We open one window a great deal less than the other. We did this because the theory being less stress on window makes seal last longer.

The sealed Windows look wonderful. The seals themselves look a bit more robust than the original method. This part is hard to describe. It's as if the old seals were inset further into the window sandwich with nothing to keep it there. The new ones have the rubber isolator and has a liberal amount of silicon material around the exterior edge.

They do not replace anything else in the process to my Dissappointment. The exterior shrinking rubber I would love to replace but they couldn't.One would think this would be a popular service request. (However I saw way more class A in the stalls, making us look puny, all with window types different than ours)  So  I will be on the hunt for that. Once we get home.

From Oak Harbor
Lydia
Lydia.
Current: 2020 JLUR w 15’ Squaredrop
Former: 2006 30IB Anniversary Edition
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #79 –
Regarding replacing the window. I stand corrected. It has to be preordered ahead of time. I can't tell you about how the color would differ since they didn't have the correct thickness to view.

Pays to talk to the other half first. 😀
Lydia.
Current: 2020 JLUR w 15’ Squaredrop
Former: 2006 30IB Anniversary Edition
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #80 –
We had ours done by the same company as Lydia but at their Phoenix location. We had three windows done and it took all day. Nothing was damaged in the process and we were happy with their work. We parked the night before and the night of the job in their lot and they had electric hookups for the rig. They used a black polyurethane sealant around the window frames after installation and foam tape which secured the window to the exterior.

We looked at the solid glass replacement and as best we could tell the color was not a match. However, we couldn't be sure how close since we couldn't see an actual panel installed in the rig for comparison.

You get a 2-year warranty on their work. I have no idea how long it will last.

Lydia, we bought the rubber gasket for the exterior of the window frame from the LD factory but, of course, with time it shrinks as it ages, just like me.

Jim
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #82 –
Thank you! I'm leaning towards going to the Phoenix location to have my glass resealed.
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #83 –
Joan

Thanks for finding that little number. Nice resource.
BTW the Oregon location has RV parking (30A)outside the service bays. We did similar to Jim and Gayle and pent the night before and after parked outside.

The service bays at this location didn't seem to have anything more powerful than 15A.

Lydia
Lydia.
Current: 2020 JLUR w 15’ Squaredrop
Former: 2006 30IB Anniversary Edition
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #84 –
     I have four main windows in my 2005 27.5 MB, that started out hazy, and are now fogged.  I'm trying to compile information about possible replacement.  I have contacted Vince at the factory.  He does not think that he can get to them until next year.  I am near Phoenix and have also contacted RV Glass Solutions for info and quotes.  They did not think that they could be cleaned, due to the length of time that thy have been compromised.   Probable replacement.  They offer an anti-reflective option, which they order from the Oregon location.  Another poster on the forums mentioned that glass replacement from them would not work because of dimension differences.  Does anyone have personal experience with either cleaning or replacement?  Thanks so much.
1994 22 LD, 2005 Midbath, 2016 Midbath
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #85 –
Did RV Glass actually look at the windows? Ours had been fogged for a couple of years, perhaps more and they had no problem cleaning in November last year and they still look great.

Jim
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #86 –
RV Glass said if the windows had been hazy for 6 months or more, they would likely not be cleanable, and need to be replaced.  They have not looked at them.  I am contemplating a trip down to Phoenix to have them evaluated.   Vince did not sound enthused about replacing them at the mothership.  Plus, they we too busy to get to them until next year sometime. 
1994 22 LD, 2005 Midbath, 2016 Midbath
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #87 –
Quote from: mrystock  - 
RV Glass said if the windows had been hazy for 6 months or more, they would likely not be cleanable, and need to be replaced.  They have not looked at them.  I am contemplating a trip down to Phoenix to have them evaluated.   Vince did not sound enthused about replacing them at the mothership.  Plus, they we too busy to get to them until next year sometime. 

Supposedly, over time the glass can get etched if fogged long enough. I don't really know what that looks like and as I said ours had fogged much longer than 6 months. Maybe there is someone different running the shop now than last year but I would have them look at it if it wasn't too inconvenient.

Plus when I asked for a quote on window replacement from Vince it was around $1,100 to $1,200 per complete window unit.

This page discusses the damage, which they refer to as riverbedding. Condensation in Double-Paned Windows - InterNACHI

Jim
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #88 –
Received a quote from RV glass yesterday. $325 for one window unit in a two window frame, or $430 if both units in a two window frame need resealing. The Phoenix location isn't busy right now.
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #89 –
Quote from: Mike Kistner  - 
Received a quote from RV glass yesterday. $325 for one window unit in a two window frame, or $430 if both units in a two window frame need resealing. The Phoenix location isn't busy right now.
Does that price include removing and reinstalling the repaired window?
The windows can be very hard to remove.

Larry
Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #91 –
Quote from: Jim & Gayle  - 
This is the same company and location we used and it does include removal and reinstalling.
Or did when we had it done last November.
That seems to be an OK price for two windows.
Our LD has leaking glass in one of the big slider windows, maybe a winter trip Phoenix is in order,

Larry
Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #92 –
Ours had been foggy for easily a year and a half. No issues cleaning it. Granted most of that is desert time but it didn't get sandblasted either.
Lydia
Lydia.
Current: 2020 JLUR w 15’ Squaredrop
Former: 2006 30IB Anniversary Edition
Re: Fogged Windows/Window Replacement
Reply #93 –
     I have an appointment for Thursday with RV Glass Solutions in Phoenix.  I'll report back with results.  Thanks everyone for the input.
1994 22 LD, 2005 Midbath, 2016 Midbath
Re: Fogged Windows/Window Replacement
Reply #94 –
We just picked up our '06 RB from RVGlass Solutions in Phoenix. They resealed the 4 panes in the 2 driver side frames, the large rear window and the entry door window. Total cost $1510. What an unbelievable difference! We can see again!
They had completed 11 windows on an LD last Friday . When I called to nail down an exact day, was told they were out of material. I asked them to find some and Chris, the POC at the Phoenix location, called back to let me know the material was being overnighted from Oregon. LD has 1/2" windows most others are 7/16", plus the material has a shelf life so they don't keep a lot of it in stock.
We arrived 4 PM Mon, hooked up to their 50A. Chris took possession Tue AM and we went to a hotel. Could have stayed in the LD but they needed 1 1/2 days so we left. Not sure how they did it, did see the material, 2 year warranty. First class operation!
Re: Fogged Windows/Window Replacement
Reply #95 –
Thanks for this report! In my experience, $1500 is a very fair price for the job; replacing only the rear window in my TK at the factory was in itself a $1300 tab. I have a rear side window (slider part) that needs de-fogging; a trip to Phoenix may be in my future!  ;)
2003 TK has a new home
Re: Fogged Windows/Window Replacement
Reply #97 –
Our experience could not have been better With RV Glass Phoenix.  Chris was super to work with.  His crew was great.  I had 5 windows done and they turned out really well.  Not a mark or smudge anywhere on the rig.  Would highly recommend the place.
1994 22 LD, 2005 Midbath, 2016 Midbath
 
Re: Fogged Windows/Window Replacement
Reply #98 –
Vince at LD replaced my large "Fogged" rear window in my '03 MB a couple of years ago. He said it was tough getting the old window out but they did a great job.