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Reply #25 – February 09, 2020, 08:27:22 pm

Quote from: cgoochee - February 09, 2020, 06:42:56 pm

I also was not thrilled to hear that all the outside compartments could be opened with a standard key that anyone could get their hands on. We have some expensive items in those compartments - Viair compressor, surge protector, tools, etc.

Replace the CH751 locks with round keys.
This company sells keyed-alike custom length round locks. Print the guide chart to match your existing locks.
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I suggest getting the backing plates for each lock to add strength and durability .
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Since the exterior compartments can be pried open with a big screwdriver, the best these and any lock can do is to discourage a thief enough to move on to the next RV, the one with CH751 locks.
Locks keep honest people honest.

Larry

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Reply #26 – February 09, 2020, 11:03:52 pm

Quote from: Andy Baird - February 09, 2020, 12:50:08 pm

But the first priority by a long shot should be minimizing leaks. The end caps need to be rethought--preferably made from aluminum, so their expansion rate is the same as the body's. And for heaven's sake, drain Lake Newton!

When you have a wooden frame, any water intrusion is potentially disastrous. The roof should have been changed from flat to cambered decades ago. It's inexcusable that water pools up there, especially around the air conditioner. And the solution is not to slather on great globs of sealant that will need to be replaced in a few years, as the factory does now. It's to reengineer the roof and end caps so that water doesn't sit up there.

This needs to be at the top of LD's list.

I agree. Airstream redirects their Air Conditioner runoff water to go down thru the walls to the ground (not dump onto the roof). Pretty easy to do.

I agree leak prevention including discouraging the ability for water to pool on the roof should be at the top of the list.
Jane

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Reply #27 – February 10, 2020, 12:11:39 am

"Airstream redirects their Air Conditioner runoff water to go down thru the walls to the ground (not dump onto the roof). Pretty easy to do."

That said, on my Airstream I've had to ream out those tubes a couple of times. Dust gets into the air conditioner base and turns to mud when the base fills with condensate, clogging the upper portion of the tube. But it's still better than draining onto the roof and down the side.

However, that's not the Lake Newton I'n talking about. It's the one that forms anytime it rains. Especially around the air conditioner--whose weight makes the roof sag in the center over time--but also elsewhere on the roof.

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Reply #28 – February 10, 2020, 01:47:34 am

Andy, I was going to ask. Shoot, I was hopeful those tubes worked and only needed cleaning out every 10 years or so.

Most roofing doesn't do well with standing water over time (TPO membrane is the only one I know of that is fine with long term standing water). That is why I have never liked the idea of standing water on the roof after heavy rains/heavy air conditioner usage. And tilting the LD even a touch creates other issues - everything has that slight tilt inside affecting things like splashed water/liquids on the kitchen countertop & cooktop and where that liquid puddles. Same for spilled liquid on the floor. Probably even in the fridge though that one might be good as the liquid would go towards the front and easier to see it. Just something to be aware of and handled/managed. Standing liquids is never good.

It seems a slight tilt in the roof (with a ridgeline in the middle going from cab to back and extra insullation) would be easy to add in, but then openings for vents and Air Conditioner would need some rethinking because the depth is different in different places.
However, Airstream with the rounded roofs must also address that issue and I would bet they work fine with standard vents/air conditioners openings.

Jane

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Reply #29 – February 10, 2020, 10:29:52 am

During one of our three visits to the mother ship, I asked Todd why Lazy Daze doesn't crest the top of the coach to eliminate standing water. He said that it makes sealing the air conditioner harder and you just trade one problem for another. He might have been BS'ing me and he might have just been tired of my questions about things I wanted on the Lazy Daze to which he would say "We don't do that."

HD

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Reply #30 – February 10, 2020, 10:37:27 am

This would be nice. From a Nash trailer.

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Reply #31 – February 10, 2020, 11:35:03 am

One of the things we liked about the Hi-Lo trailer was the crowned roof. Sealed fine around the AC unit. Too bad Lazy Daze can’t figure out a way to do it.

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Reply #32 – February 10, 2020, 12:04:16 pm

"I was hopeful those tubes worked and only needed cleaning out every 10 years or so."

I'm in a dusty area. And the openings in the air conditioner "pan" that let the condensate water out are small enough that if dust builds up in the pan, clogging is likely. If the tubes and openings were the size of garden hose, this wouldn't happen, but that would be impractical. Instead, they are small (maybe a quarter inch I.D.) so that they can easily be routed through the walls. In short, I'm not really sure how this could be done better.

As for trading one problem for another, I don't buy it. Most of the RVs I see going down the road have curved roofs. Yes, you have to reconcile that with a straight front and rear, but dozens of other manufacturers manage it. Lazy Daze just doesn't like to change the way they do things. That helps keep costs down, so it's not always a bad thing, but in this case I think a change is long overdue.

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Reply #33 – February 10, 2020, 01:47:02 pm

Greg,
Ah Ha. In that HiLo trailer, they have a flat spot likely about 26-28" wide which holds the Air Conditioner and Vent, with sloping sides down from that flat spot on both sides. So not a continuous curve, a curve with a flattened top.

You get mostly a sloping roof (except that middle strip that holds the air conditioner and vents).

That would work a whole lot better and it is enough of a slope down that if things sink an inch or so around the Air Conditioner likely most of the water would still go down the slope.
Jane

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Reply #34 – February 10, 2020, 02:39:13 pm

Many of the Class A motorhomes have flat roofs (we have had 2 Tiffins with flat roofs), but they run a drain line to the side of the coach.

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Reply #35 – February 10, 2020, 04:06:08 pm

One issue having a domed roof, while maintaining the existing front and rear caps, is that the one piece roof would not be flat, instead slightly convex.
Retaining the one piece roof while producing the convex shape normally requires stamping or a tremendous amount of hand shaping, either way a big increase in cost or labor.
To make it simpler to build, the front and rear would need to be domed shaped too, requiring a new set of molds, new roofing and rear wall templates and a different look to the front and rear rooflines.

LD's have a one piece roof that runs half way down the rear wall and the rear wall would still be flat, keeping the one piece roof and rear wall would be complex thing to shape. The roof sheet metal would probably need to be cut into two pieces, one for the roof and the rear wall, introducing another seam to potentially leak.
IMO, it would be a worthwhile change but I'm not sure Steve would be willing to spend the cash and time needed to make it work at this point in his career.

Larry

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Reply #36 – February 10, 2020, 04:43:08 pm

OR make the front and back joiners just a tad lower then the middle studs.
Of course it's very easy to be a side walk foreman.......
Glen

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Reply #37 – February 10, 2020, 08:35:55 pm

All the new features in the 2021 LD certainly sound wonderful. I’d be tempted to get on The List if my body wasn’t an old, sorry bucket of rusty bolts that isn’t up to accumulating debt at this point of retirement. But I confess ... I’ve pondered this matter from time to time.

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Reply #38 – March 28, 2020, 08:48:11 am

Quote from: colddog - February 09, 2020, 09:49:04 am

1. Add the 'Andy Baird' cabinet.
2. Air stream covers on all roof vents.
3 (smile) cat door on bathroom door.

Glen

Glen,
I had a good giggle at your cat door comment.
I just installed a cat door in "Ophelia" I sacrificed the storage compartment under my couch by the entry door. Along with the larger exterior compartment just behind passenger door.
I put Sages private bathroom for easy exterior daily cleaning.
I did have to cut a second cat door in the plywood wall between the compartments.

I installed battery operated motion sensor lights so Sage isn't eating or doing her business in the dark.
I call the space her "Cattio" cat condo
And my bionic nose wil be fairly safe if she uses her private bathroom in the middle of the night.
Juanita
P.S.
She had a similar set up in my travel trailer that worked very well!

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Reply #39 – March 28, 2020, 12:24:42 pm

Quote from: OpheliaElaineLD2005 - March 28, 2020, 08:48:11 am

I call the space her "Cattio" cat condo
Juanita

Had I not put in a ramp for three many dogs, I'd be amazed at the accommodations LD owners make for their non-two legged group members.

Joel

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Reply #40 – March 28, 2020, 02:01:35 pm

Optional items: 1. On board surge protector, 2. "Tireman" style valve extensions, 3. Electric outlet on the rear wall of Mid-baths, between the rear couches, 4. Ports at kitchen table and rear wall for phone charging, 5. Built in WiFi in the coach, 6. Cell phone signal booster, 7. Non-common locks on outside compartments.

Bob

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Reply #41 – March 28, 2020, 03:07:47 pm

"Optional items: 1.", etc., etc.

Wishing you good luck with that, or even ¼ of those choices. I can visualize Steve Newton rolling on the floor at this moment!

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Reply #42 – March 28, 2020, 04:53:01 pm

Quote from: rm2011ldmb - March 28, 2020, 02:01:35 pm

Optional items: 1. On board surge protector, 2. "Tireman" style valve extensions, 3. Electric outlet on the rear wall of Mid-baths, between the rear couches, 4. Ports at kitchen table and rear wall for phone charging, 5. Built in WiFi in the coach, 6. Cell phone signal booster, 7. Non-common locks on outside compartments

Extra plugs are a Factory option, the rest of your wish list will need to be installed after delivery by someone else.
All has been done before and documented on the forum.

Larry

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