I've been tweaking our coach (LD MB 2004) the past several days in preparation for our upcoming (5/15) trip west; there seems to be a 'ghost' in the machine as far as the electrical is concerned: the brass escutcheon lites in the rear bedroom won't light, nor do either of the duplex outlets have power. Checked fuses, checked lites, nada. Any ideas? Also: generator won't start with either the H/B's or with the engine running: just clicks. Cleaned contacts, checked chassis batt for charge (full), house batts are brand new. No idea. (I'm hoping the gen hasn't pooped the bed).
Also: generator won't start with either the H/B's or with the engine running: just clicks. Cleaned contacts, checked chassis batt for charge (full), house batts are brand new. No idea. (I'm hoping the gen hasn't pooped the bed).
Do you mean you hear the starter click but it won't turn over? Or, do you hear the rapid clicking of the generator fuel pump? If you hold the generator start button on 'off' a few seconds, you can hear the fuel pump start cycling. If the sound is metallic and does not change, there is no fuel delivery. If the noise becomes more muted shortly, fuel is getting there.
If the starter is not turning, check all connections from the coach batteries to generator, including ground cables.
Steve
I've been tweaking our coach (LD MB 2004) the past several days in preparation for our upcoming (5/15) trip west
Do tell where your travels take you out west, most of us Lazy Daze owners are out west and don’t bite (much).
Probably want a new topic for your electrical / generator issues, you’ll get more responses if the request isn’t hidden under decals.
Also: generator won't start with either the H/B's or with the engine running: just clicks. Cleaned contacts, checked chassis batt for charge (full), house batts are brand new. No idea.
As per the Lazy Daze Companion under generator:
If the button is pushed and there's only a clicking noise - - low battery, loose connections, or faulty starter solenoid (relay or contactor - same thing).
Probably want a new topic for your electrical / generator issues, you’ll get more responses if the request isn’t hidden under decals.
Done! Posts split into this new topic.
Let's hear it for our hard-working admins! :-)
Steve: Input much appreciated; it's raining right now, so I'll check those items mentioned tom. A.M. Also: new to this forum. It seems the software in use may be a tad on the old side. I've had some difficulty finding my way. Fortunately, I have kids in their late 20's to consult. Otherwise my wife & I would probably be sitting in the dark with the cats.
The 12-volt and 120-VAC issues are separate problems. Do any of the light fixtures in the rear work? If not, the problem may be a bad fuse connection inside the Power Center. The rear lights are on one circuit. There may be a bad connection in one of the lighting fixtures that feeds the non-operating fixtures.
With only two duplex outlets not working, I would be looking for a disconnected connection at one of the upstream outlets. The duplex outlets are daisy-chained together; a bad connection at one would cut the power to the downstream outlets.
The generator clicking when attempting to start may be a bad solenoid or starter. Accessing the solenoid, the contacts can be jumpered to see if the starter spins. The generator needs to be dropped to replace the starter.
Larry
With only two duplex outlets not working, I would be looking for a disconnected connection at one of the upstream outlets. The duplex outlets are daisy-chained together; a bad connection at one would cut the power to the downstream outlets.
The exterior 120v outlet (near the water heater outside) is a common trouble spot on the MB floorplan. Water gets in the outlet and causes issues. The rear outlets are downstream of this.
Rich
I hope (I hope!) I this won't involve dropping the generator. This couldn't be done w/o a lift and lifts are hard to come by.
I agree with Rich. I experienced problems with the exterior AC outlet in my midbath, and that can trip the GFCI breaker... or as Rich said, potentially affect the interior outlets that are "downstream" of it. That outside outlet is the first thing I'd check in this situation.
I hope (I hope!) I this won't involve dropping the generator. This couldn't be done w/o a lift and lifts are hard to come by.
The generator can be removed with a rolling hydraulic floor jack. It isn’t a simple job, but it can be done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdUejfzgBRE
Larry
Hi DavidMo; So the comment about " the brass escutcheon lites in the rear bedroom won't light", leave me a bit baffled. What lights are those and do you really have what we call a MidBath. 26.5 feet long right? The rear dinette, pull out 'gaucho' couches make the rear into couch or bed. The floor plans are detailed here: Lazy Daze Pocket Guide (https://www.lazydazeowners.com/pocketguide/) The furniture layout and chassis length affect the placement of the electrical wiring, plumbing, etc. a lot here.
The Island Bed plan was discontinued about 2006, and the 30, or 31 footers have other changes. RonB
My LD MB (2004) seems to have had a complete power failure. Mechanic thinks it's the converter. What is the 'shelf life' of a power converter? It can be replaced for $389.00 but I'd hate to buy one and discover it isn't the problem. (Once installed, I wouldn't be able to return it). Any in-put would be most welcome. When I tested the service panel with a voltage meter it read 14+ volts. I replaced both H/B and they have a full charge. So it has to something between the batteries and the service panel? I think. But I'm no electrician.
Hi DavidMo; I moved your post to it's own separate topic. If the failure is just with 12 Volts, there is a hidden circuit breaker that might need to be reset, at very little cost. This small 12v. 50Amp circuit breaker is behind a drawer, or somewhere out of the way. If you have your original Lazy Daze manuals it should be mentioned in there.
This person with a midbath mentioned that the 'hidden breaker' is inside where the drawer is located, (need to pull out the drawer under the refrigerator to get to it). It has a small black button on the side that barely pops out. Hidden Circuit Breakers Location - 50 & 100 amps (https://www.lazydazeowners.com/index.php?topic=34328.msg210159#msg210159)
My T/K also had that breaker on the side of where the drawer pulls out under my refrigerator.
Jon's picture in reply #12 in the above referenced thread, shows that breaker location.
Here is a breaker with that black reset button on the side: Amazon.com: ZOOKOTO 12V/24V Stud Bolt Type Manual Reset Circuit Breaker 50A... (https://www.amazon.com/ZOOKOTO-Circuit-Breaker-chargers-electric/dp/B07ZMXPYL2/ref=sr_1_30?crid=3MZRCEN8X2SO2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ufYr4sGHZ9TuhZJ6329wWTi83SZR1KgULtsBZncfJ3KoT0_yFOyzZoNEe2pgx5YBRN2M5qZiaidvehQVitNVPaKdW_6gEqck88IzFWFWZLg.uPDLz57aYTt8MZpma1RiP52raKyEb1j6IRT9-N_TDDk&dib_tag=se&keywords=non%2Bself%2Bresetting%2B12%2Bcircuit%2Bbreaker&qid=1746725566&s=automotive&sprefix=non%2Bself%2Bresetting%2B12%2Bcircuit%2Bbreaker%2Cautomotive%2C192&sr=1-30&xpid=DLYcpI_po5DKC&th=1) (you don't have the red plastic cover) Hope this is your problem. RonB
Having serious electrical problems in my '04 LD MB; converter does not (or does not seem) to be producing AC voltage for anything in the coach: no lites, no outlets, no slide-out steps, no readout, nuttin'. What is the shelf life of a Parallax Converter? Do they last longer than 20+ years? What it isn't: House batteries (brand new), wiring problem (short), (at least, no wiring problem that I can locate), I'm ready to tear what's left of my hair out. Any help much appreciated!
I merged 3 topics on the same subject into one. It's best to keep the information together so members can follow what has been investigated along the way.
My 2007 purchased on 11-7-07, converter went bad in 2013. New one has been working ever since
Bob
I'd suggest checking the master 12 V circuit breaker. In your 2004 mid bath, that breaker is probably located inside the cabinet below the refrigerator. You may have to take a drawer out to get to it. It's on the left, and it's a small plastic rectangle - about the size of an ice cube - with a tiny button on it. Press the button to reset the breaker. With luck, that may solve your problem.
I'd suggest checking the master 12 V circuit breaker, it's a small plastic rectangle - about the size of an ice cube - with a tiny button on it. Press the button to reset the breaker.
LD also used automatic breakers which do not have reset buttons. If this is found, test for voltage across the circuit breaker's two terminals, if 12 volts is seen, the breaker is tripped and has not reset. When an automatic breaker is overloaded and tripped, it will continue resetting and tripping until the load is reduced or the breaker's contacts burn up, requiring replacement.
Larry
I'd suggest checking the master 12 V circuit breaker.
Here's a couple of photos of that breaker on my 2009. The first one shows the breaker visible with the drawer under the frig removed. The second shows the reset button on the side.
jor
Hi DavidMo; The converter has nothing to do with AC 110v. The converter can last almost forever, no 'shelf' life involved. Like any hot, used electronic device they can go bad. It is pretty rare, and will only affect 12v DC circuits. Outlets are 110VAC. The converter doesn't have anything to do with those.
The power distribution (Load) center has circuit breakers for 110vAC. One breaker labeled 'Main' is 30A and supplies power to the coach coming in from the plug, or the generator. One breaker does supply power to the converter, If the converter isn't powered up, the batteries supply 12v dc to the fuse 12v, panel, and branch circuits.
The roof air conditioner and the microwave have their own circuit breakers. One breaker 110VAC does supply AC power to the internal outlets. It is a GFCI breaker and will shut off quickly to prevent electric shock. It also is a regular 15 A circuit breaker. It has a test button. Pushing that tests the 'shock detection circuit. You will need to reset that breaker after the test.
All of your internal lights operate on 12v. DC. RonB