Our LD's quartz stove ignitor failed on our fall trip.
Hating the loud, clacking noise in the early morning, a silent, battery-powered BBQ ignitor replaced the defective ignitor, at a cost of about $10. The installation took about half an hour.
It's a pleasure to light a burner with the push of a button.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lwade/sets/72177720296559081/
Larry
Larry, I don’t have permission to see your newest upgrade. And I’d sure like to see it.
Larry, I don’t have permission to see your newest upgrade. And I’d sure like to see it.
Is it working now?
Larry
Is it working now?
It’s working like a charm!
Our LD's quartz stove ignitor failed on our fall trip. Hating the loud, clacking noise in the early morning, a silent, battery-powered BBQ ignitor replaced the defective ignitor, at a cost of about $10. The installation took about half an hour.
Larry
Ooh I like that. Do the original wires to the burners just plug right into the back of the spark generator unit? Would one of these be able to ignite the oven? If so, I could get the four output unit.
No, the connectors are a different shape and have to be tweaked. The trick with the oven would be using a high-temperature electrically insulated sheath for the wire...
Steve
Only the three stovetop burners have an ignitor. The oven will still need to be lit the usual way.
The pins on the new ignitor are round, whereas the stock pins are rectangular.
The stock pins can be squeezed with needle-nose pliers and can be made round enough to fit snuggly on the new ignitor's rear contacts.
Larry
A person years ago complained to me that she hated having to light the oven every time she used it. You don't. The oven can be lit once and left lit for weeks at a time. The Off position for the oven does turn off the gas. But you can just turn off the oven and leave the pilot on, in the pilot position. It uses almost no gas, and if it blew out would be nearly un noticed, even by the propane detector. I once (accidentally) left the pilot on for a few months. The oven is vented at the top back behind the burners of the stove top, so it doesn't even build up any heat to speak of. RonB
Home gas oven igniters do not use a high voltage spark. They have a heating element interlocked with the gas valve and a heat sensor. Such a heating element can withstand the high temperature of the oven, but consumes a lot of power to do the job. It seems unlikely a spark igniter tip could be successfully used in the oven.
Also, the triple output igniter mod is a tight fit. A larger model might not.
Steve
I ordered a 4 pack of stove lighters just the other day. Bic multi purpose.
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It seems unlikely a spark igniter tip could be successfully used in the oven.
Also, the triple output igniter mod is a tight fit. A larger model might not.
The oven uses a thermocouple that needs heating before the gas valve opens. Even if a spark could light it, you would have no idea if it occurred, without looking. Ron's suggestion to leave the pilot on, while parked, is fine for those that use the oven daily.
We only use it occasionally, so the pilot is never left on when not in use.
The triple outlet ignitor barely fit, requiring a little tweaking to install, a four outlet ignitor would not fit due to its larger size.
Larry
Hi Larry; congratulations on your knee replacement; I hope your recovery is uneventful and quick.
We keep cat food in the oven, so it all has to be cleared out before use so it gives me a chance to inspect the insides and to light the pilot. An extended reach lighter is right there in the kitchen drawer, never far away in any motorhome kitchen! The 'twack' of a piezzo lighter is music to my ears so far. So as long as it continues to work, I'm good. I have a small battery powered one waiting in the wings if needed. RonB
The Force 10 marine stoves I installed in my Lazy Daze and my first Airstream used a battery-ordered (non-piezo) ignitor for the oven as well as the burners. The sequence was 1) press and hold down the oven control knob, 2) press the ignitor button, 3) keep holding the oven knob for twenty seconds or so to give the thermocouple time to warm up. So it can be done. It was very nice not to have to get down on my knees every time I wanted to use the oven or broiler.
Larry, can you give us the ordering info for the igniter you used? I may want to give it a try for the manual light stove in our trailer.
Rich
can you give us the ordering info for the igniter you used? I may want to give it a try for the manual light stove in our trailer.
The link is in the Flickr file, listed in the original posting.
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Larry
Thanks, Larry, I sure didn't see it there.
Rich
We installed the Furrion 2 in 1 range in our son's tiniHouse, it's basically the same size as the Atwood with three burners except it has an oven igniter which works when you turn the wheel like on the Atwood. We were sold on that feature immediately. The control dials light up with a 12v switch on the front of the unit and it has an oven light. We would have not have run 12v power to the oven for only the dial lights but we did to gain the oven light.
Larry Wishing you All the Best for a Speedy Recovery!
Karen~Liam
98 ~ MB
NinA
"Larry Wishing you All the Best for a Speedy Recovery!"
So what is it that Larry is "recovering" from? Cootys mayhap?
He'd better hurry, March is near at hand! :o ;)
"Larry Wishing you All the Best for a Speedy Recovery!"
So what is it that Larry is "recovering" from? Cootys mayhap?
He'd better hurry, March is near at hand! :o ;)
See message #11 in this thread.
Chris
Wondered about an igniter in the oven with the higher operating temperature environment compared to a stovetop, but Andy's post convinced me to give it a try. Ordered a pigtailed igniter and some high-temp sleeving to cover the silicone insulated wire and kludged an installation at the oven pilot. I changed my electronic 3-port to a 4-port ignitor. It works nicely after a little fiddling to prevent the arc from choosing the temp sensor over the pilot tubing as a landing zone.
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The sparker itself is not a drop-in, requires some minor mods a DIYer can handle, but my 4-port fits where my previously installed 3-port was, so no issues there.
Steve
Nice work, Steve! If I still had that type of oven, I'd follow your example.
Update on Post I made in this Thread Earlier -
"We installed the Furrion 2 in 1 range in our son's tiniHouse, it's basically the same size as the Atwood with three burners except it has an oven ignitor which works when you turn the wheel like on the Atwood. We were sold on that feature immediately."
We spent our first weekend in our Son's tiniHouse in Portland last week. The Furrion range we had installed earlier worked well except for the ignitor feature for the oven. There is a dedicated electronic ignitor for the oven which sparks when you turn the dial for all of the ignitors for the three burners on top. I checked the oven ignitor and it did spark each time I turned the ignitor dial. The spark also looked to be the same as all of the other igniors. It took as few as ten to fifteen sparks to ignite the pilot light. I did this many times to test it out and the spark was across the pilot light so it should have worked every time. When the pilot light was on the oven worked fine. We were disappointed with this failure, and the range manual did not have any answers. I may call Furrion but we may find that the best way to light the oven is the old fashion way on This NEW Furrion Oven!
Karen~Liam
98 ~ MB
NinA
Wondered about an igniter in the oven with the higher operating temperature environment compared to a stovetop, but Andy's post convinced me to give it a try. Ordered a pigtailed igniter and some high-temp sleeving to cover the silicone insulated wire and kludged an installation at the oven pilot. I changed my electronic 3-port to a 4-port ignitor. It works nicely after a little fiddling to prevent the arc from choosing the temp sensor over the pilot tubing as a landing zone.
Thanks, Steve, now my wife wants this added to the stovetop ignitor.
Larry
Thanks, Steve, now my wife wants this added to the stovetop ignitor.
Larry
Why, you're welcome, Larry!
Steve
Steve, we like your work also! We need to fix the setup in the Furrion. When we are next in the tiniHouse I will try to adjust it so that it works like what Steve did in his LD. We will also look into upgrading our ignitor setup in our Atwood oven in our 98~MB.
Thanks Steve!
Karen~Liam
98 ~ MB
NinA
Steve, we like your work also! We need to fix the setup in the Furrion. When we are next in the tiniHouse I will try to adjust it so that it works like what Steve did in his LD. We will also look into upgrading our ignitor setup in our Atwood oven in our 98~MB.
Thanks Steve!
Karen~Liam
98 ~ MB
NinA
Liam, note that when testing in the driveway, it would often take a minute or more with pilot gas flowing to light. But, camping, when the stove was used often, lighting the pilot typically only took a few seconds. Perhaps in the Furion it is similar.
Steve
Nice mod, Steve!
So originally before we installed the Furrion I tested it and it worked well, I was jealous! After we installed it, the oven lit in one or two sparks and worked well. Most recently when we stayed in the tiniHouse last week which was after the move from the Oregon coast. The oven ignitor sparks but the oven failed to light till there were many sparks 10 to 15. I think now that it could be and alignment issue. I did not spend a lot of time on it and Karen did not get to bake those chocolate chip cookies as promised. We will be back and I will spend more time and maybe get some of those Hot Chocolate Chip Cookies!
Then we will become jealous again!
Karen~Liam
98 ~ MB
NinA
Hi Liam; I suspect that it takes a lot longer for gas to be the right mixture to light-off as it arrives at the igniter spark. My experience with lighting the oven pilot is to turn it on, wait a minute or so, then light it with a 'butane match'. It is a very small flow of gas, and has to expel air that has accumulated in the line which is pretty far away: from the valve at the oven knob, down to where the pilot is located. RonB
Thanks Ron for your insight. We did purge the air in the line before attempting to light. It may have not been enough? After I got it lit I turned it off and attempted to relight it, the same issue and it took many times to relight. The next time we go back I will take more time and bring a grill lighter to test that the gas is flowing properly and see if it is all aligned correctly.
Karen~Liam
98 ~ MB
NinA
Hi Liam; If I remember correctly, lifting the top off the burners, you can see the brass screw on the oven knob valve that adjusts gas flow to the pilot. You might 'up' that a bit and it might help the lighting speed. Each time you turn on the pilot, it would have to purge that line. At least in my oven, you can leave the pilot on, even when you aren't actually using the oven, by not turning the oven knob all the way to off.
Since I don't use my oven often; I actually store cat food in the oven, I don't leave the pilot on much. RonB
Ron, this gas oven is in a Furrion Range we installed in my Son's tiniHouse, but when I am back there in Portland I will look for and adjustment screw for the pilot light - That's a great idea!
~Liam