Hello,
Michelin has gone from the LTX to the Defender, & now to the Agilis cross climate. Unfortunately, the crossclimate LT load Range E requires 90 psi for the same max load as the prior tires. I am trying to get Ford to reply as to whether the OEM steel 16" wheels will handle 90 psi. Anyone actually get an answer from ford?
Lazy Daze Has changed to Hankook for 2021, anyone know why ford changed?
Any recommendations as to a brand to use as a replacement for Michelin that still uses 80 psi for max load on load range E?
I need M & S.
Michael
Michael,
The maximum pressure for the wheel should be stamped on the wheel some where.
I too had never heard of Hankook tires until I saw them on our new rear bath. I am very impressed on how well they ride. They are load range 'E' and show a max pressure of 80-psi. I run 75-psi rear and 65-psi front which works well for handling. I have asked several people in the tire industry all whom have said Hankook are very good tires.
Please correct me if I am wrong - Tire pressure is determined by on the weight of the rig.
I go with the tire pressure printed on the edge of the driver door, the one listed by Lazy Daze sticker. The tire may be able to handle a higher psi such as 80psi, but the sticker says something like 60psi.
If you do 80, then I feel like when one blows out, that would be a lot of weight on the others and cause more pressure to occur, hence more blowouts...
About the Tim being able to handle 90psi, this might be something the tire place would be able to answer, but o would still not do 90psi
I too had never heard of Hankook tires until I saw them on our new rear bath. I am very impressed on how well they ride. They are load range 'E' and show a max pressure of 80-psi. I run 75-psi rear and 65-psi front which works well for handling. I have asked several people in the tire industry all whom have said Hankook are very good tires.
Same.
They seem okay.
I liked the Goodyear Wranglers on my previous 1995 TK.
You shouldn't need to go to 90 so it shouldn't matter.
Several years ago when I had my two front Michelin tires fail at the same time (the belts shifted) when 2,000 miles from home I bought two Firestone Transforce. Same load rating (E) and size.
What a difference! Much better ride and handling, and less expensive. Had been a loyal Michelin guy for years and use them on my cars, but Transforce is the one for the LD.
I believe the tire maker knows a bit more about what and what not a tire can handle. They are the ones with the liabilities not me. They have spent the money making and testing said tire.
The tire pressures are to set at a cold tire. If 90 PSI is set at a cold tire then the running pressure will be higher. As an aside I have seen my tires at 95 PSI many times and for hours at a time on the road. I do run all my tires at 70 to 75 PSI cold tire set.
glen
I like my Hercules Terra Trec Cross V, but I have nothing to compare it to.
Hello,
I have a 31 ft LD, & I need to run at 90 psi to the carry the load in the rear duals with the Michelin agilis cross climates & provide a little reserve capacity .
The OEM wheels are not marked as to max pressure ( inside or outside). Still waiting for an answer from Ford.
Need to put the LD on a more stringent diet or go with a different brand to carry the load with 80 psi.
Michael
Hello,
I have a 31 ft LD, & I need to run at 90 psi to the carry the load in the rear duals with the Michelin agilis cross climates & provide a little reserve capacity .
The OEM wheels are not marked as to max pressure ( inside or outside). Still waiting for an answer from Ford.
Need to put the LD on a more stringent diet or go with a different brand to carry the load with 80 psi.
Michael
Michael, how are you justifying the 90 psi? I'm running on Cross Climates now in my 30' and it would ride like a tank if I inflated to 90 psi. I usually travel at 65 front and 75 rear and have been doing that for 19 years, always with Michelins.
Chris
Hello,
I have a 31 ft LD, & I need to run at 90 psi to the carry the load in the rear duals with the Michelin agilis cross climates & provide a little reserve capacity .
The OEM wheels are not marked as to max pressure ( inside or outside). Still waiting for an answer from Ford.
Need to put the LD on a more stringent diet or go with a different brand to carry the load with 80 psi.
Michael
Which inflation table are you using, and what are your axle weights?
I use these tables - click 16" and then look for the correct tire size (225/75/16)
Michelin RV Tires | View Michelin RV Tires load and inflation tables for... (https://www.michelinrvtires.com/reference-materials/load-and-inflation-tables/#/)
You should notice a few things. First, there are 2 versions of the Agilis CrossClimate - normal and c-metric. They have different inflation standards.
Second, the 'normal' table seems to contradict itself. For a single tires, the maximum load & pressure on the sidewall is listed as 2680lbs @ 90psi. Just to the left of that, they show 80psi as the recommended inflation pressure for 2680psi.
Perhaps (probably) it's not a mistake and should be interpreted as the tires can handle more pressure but not more weight.
If you're willing to share your numbers (axle weights and desired inflation pressure), we might be able to help a bit more.
If you're overweight and looking for a tire that can handle it, note that the Agilis CrossClimate C-metric has a load of 3085 @ 80psi (single).
I'm struggling to see why you would want 90psi in a tire unless you're over the weight limits for an axle and/or the entire coach.
Rich
What I’ve noticed is that after setting my tire pressure at 70 psi front and 75 psi rear, once I get on the road my TPMS shows tire pressure all over the place. My front might show psi in the80’s for the front and psi in the 90’s for the Dualies. My TPMS also monitors the tires temperature with a high temp. Alarm that has never activated.
My 2005 26.5 MB, handles well with the 70/75 psi and I don’t notice any handling or ride issues at the higher psi.
Have any of you using a TPMS, noticed these psi differences?
Hi Mac; Two of my other cars have tire pressure continually displayed on the dash along with a pictogram of the car outline. (I can turn that display off if desired) Parked, the two tires in sunlight, will be about 35. In the shade about 33. As I drive I can watch the tire pressures go to over 42 psi at speed on the highway. They increase and decrease depending on load, speed and temperature. The spare in the trunk changes little and stays in the 32 psi. range. I don't have a temperature of the tires per se. The sensors are inside the tires at the stem.
Your description sounds about what I would expect, especially in a very heavy vehicle. RonB
It is my understanding that most all E rated tires have a maximum pressure of 80psi and to go to 90psi, one would need to purchase F rated tires.
Have any of you using a TPMS, noticed these psi differences?
Yup. Tire Pressure in the morning before moving the LD is the same on all six tires (within 2 or so pds). Temp is all the same also. Going on east/west highways tire pressures on the left side and right side driver raise at the same rate. The right rear duels tend to run about 5 to 10 pounds higher and also 5 to 10 degrees hotter. On north/south highways the side facing the sun run higher and hotter - 5 to 10 pounds and 5 to 10 degrees hotter. Right side rear duels always run hotter.
I rotate tire for two reasons - right side tires tend to hit curbs more often then left side and temp/pressure differences.
glen
Michelin tells me the following about Agilis cross climate:
LT 225/75R16 E will carry 2440 # at 80 psi single & 2220 # as a dual. It takes 90 psi to get 2680 # single & 2470 # dual.
On my 31 ft I need more than the 2220 # in the rear.
The C metric where not available when I bought the LT load range E's
Michael
"... & 2220 # as a dual..."
2220 # as a dual would lead me to believe a pair would carry 4440, yes?
Please, more clarification S'il vous plaît.
Michelin tells me the following about Agilis cross climate:
LT 225/75R16 E will carry 2440 # at 80 psi single & 2220 # as a dual. It takes 90 psi to get 2680 # single & 2470 # dual.
On my 31 ft I need more than the 2220 # in the rear.
The C metric where not available when I bought the LT load range E's
Michael
Using those numbers, you could have 4880 on the front axle if evenly distributed (2440 on each side, each side with a single tire).
You could have 8880 on the rear axle if evenly distributed (4440 on each side, each side with 2 tires).
I don't know why your inflation chart would differ from the one on the Michelin RV Tires website. Maybe the numbers have changed over the years.
Not sure if that helps with your issue, but I think that's the correct way to think about it. You tire dealer would be able to confirm for sure.
Once you know your axle weights, it would probably improve your ride quality to back the tire pressure down from 80lbs to match the inflation number to the actual weight being carried. For example, I run around 62psi in the front and 72psi in the rear on my MB since that adequately carries the weight and it makes for a less objectionable ride.
Hope that helps.
Rich
Hi Rich; that gets to 13,760 #. A bit short of the 14,500# GVWR, and assumes exact loading at each tire. RonB
Unfortunately, the crossclimate LT load Range E requires 90 psi for the same max load as the prior tires.
This is incorrect. The load range chart shows the same load capability at 80 psi as at 90 psi, which is 2680 single, 4940 dual. In other words, 90 psi is permissible, but it does not increase the load handling.
Steve
Hi Rich; that gets to 13,760 #. A bit short of the 14,500# GVWR, and assumes exact loading at each tire. RonB
Yes. You get to 15,240lbs using the Michelin RV tire inflation table linked above. I'm not sure where the OP is getting his/her numbers, but I went with them for an example of how to calculate things.
Depending on the weight of the coach, it could be time to find out which table is correct.
Rich
Hi Rich and Michael; Using Steve B's numbers the total load capacity at 80 psi comes to 15,240 pounds. Adequate for the rated 14,500 pounds GVWR for the E450 chassis. More in line for what I expect. My E350 rig at 11,500# GVWR hardly stresses the tires, with a 3700# margin. RonB
You folks are correct. The numbers given to me by Michelin are different than their load chart. I have emailed Michelin for the load numbers at 85 psi, & pointed out the discrepancy in the load #s in the 80 psi column in their chart.
I will share their reply when I get it.
Michael
Hello,
Ford has indicated that their steel OEM wheel will handle 90 psi.
"Customer Care Michelin" has twice stated that they can only provide pressure vs load data for a original equipment tire.
Since LT Agilis Cross Climate is not OE on my RV, I need to talk with my tire dealer for info.
Michael
"LT Agilis Cross Climate is not OE on my RV...."
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Michelin tires (and every other brand, as far as I know), passenger car, light truck, other, have undergone several "incarnations" and name changes over the years; "Agilis Cross Climate" is just the current label. I currently run Michelin "Defenders" on my 2003; these were installed in mid-2018, and replaced the previous differently-named Michelins, which replaced the previous differently-named Michelins, which replaced the differently-named Michelins that were on the rig when it was delivered. If I'm still roadworthy when it comes time to replace the "Defenders", I'll go with whatever Michelin decides to name the tires; as long as the tire specs are consistent and the application appropriate, and there is little or no change in the down-the-road weight of the rig, I'm good to go.
YMMV.
Joan,
What PSI are you running front and rear on your rig?
Joan,
What PSI are you running front and rear on your rig?
If I may -- the PSI on tires should be based on the weight of the front and rear of your vehicle only. There are charts on the manufacturers web page to help you with the proper information.
https://www.thefitrv.com/rv-tips/how-to-set-the-tire-pressure-in-your-rv/
glen
Michael, Mike, Greg or anyone else with rigs running the new, Ford OEM Hankooks…
Have you been able to locate a Hankook axle weight - tire pressure table? I’ve been using the Michelin table printed in the Lazy Daze table assuming that Hankooks are fairly similar in capability to the Michelin.
Warren
Warren, my original tires were Michelin and so are the new ones just purchased.
I've looked high and low online without success at finding an official table. I'm using the one in the manual for a starter and adjusting a bit for weight. Now using 65 front 75 rear after a 4 wheel weigh in Livingston.
Linda
2021 RB
The charts I have looked at show higher pressures on the front tires as they are singles. We had a blow out last month 600 miles into a 6400 mile trip with out 26.5 MB. Tires 4.5 yr old, Tire Guy said under inflated, pumped all up to 75 PSI. She rode a bit rougher but no more tire problems. Max pressure on tires is 80 PSI
Scott & Barb
Lolipop5
To me Load Range E tire and the vehicles suggested PSI is what matters. I would not think to look at the manufacturer specs. The load range tells me what I need to know.
The charts I have looked at show higher pressures on the front tires as they are singles.
A typically loaded MB, weighed on each axle, will call for higher pressures in the rear than in the front.
Not saying it can't happen depending on the loading, but double check to make sure you're reading and applying the tables correctly.
Rich
To me Load Range E tire and the vehicles suggested PSI is what matters. I would not think to look at the manufacturer specs. The load range tells me what I need to know.
This book has the information you need. All you need are the front and back axle weights to determine the exact tire pressures your LD should be running.
https://michelinb2b.com/wps/b2bcontent/PDF/RV_Tires_Brochure.pdf Consider it to be your tire’s bible
Look up your tire’s pressure chart, in the correct size and load range, to find the manufacturer’s recommended pressure.
They know better than any tire installer or tire shop.
This isn’t rocket science folks.
Larry
Warren, I run the same tire pressures in our new RB LD with the Hankook tires as I ran in our previous RB LD with the Michelins which is 75# rear and 65# front. Highway handling is the same with both vehicles. No unpleasant issues.
As does Mike, we follow the Michelin guide / LD manual axle weight-base tire pressure table. For us, this translates to 60psi front, 70 psi rear. This trip, being a long one and featuring cold/wet climate gear, we had to raise our pressures to 65/75.
W
This looks like as good a place as any to add a couple of pennies.
Took our ‘15 RB to Allen Tire and deposited 6 lightly used Michelin tires in exchange for 6 new Michelin Agilis Cross Climate tires.
Gonna run the tires like the last set. 70 up front and 80 in the rear.
Spared the spare. It’s still in the rig but that’s where it’s been the whole time. Hard to justifying trashing it. I’m hoping it’ll do it’s job in a pinch if Coach-Net can’t repair any flats. 🧐 Perhaps I’ll get a new spare sooner than later.
Kent
Kent, do you mind sharing what you paid for those new tires?
Warren,
$1595.00 Michelin gave me a $70 mail in rebate. All the tires are dated 17th week of 2021. 2 hours for the installation. I was first one there this morning and they started on the job the first thing.
Had a nice crew of men working on my rig. Lots of friendly gentlemen who had been coming to the same shop for up to 50 years. Quite a few there just to have nails pulled from their car tires. Always a free service.
Kent
Hello Kent,
Did the sidewalls of your "old " tires say 2470 # @ 80 psi ( dual) ?
Do your new LT Agilis CC say 2470# @ 90 psi ( dual ) ?
Michael
I put Firestone E rated tires on our MB at the recommendation of local tire guys. 6 tires for a little over $1,000. They have the same inflation chart as the Mothership. We are on a 6,000 mile trip with no problems on first 2,500 miles.
Hi Michael,
Yes, pretty much 🧐 I had to look back at old pics of the previous set: 2680 @80# single, 2470 @80# dual. The new Agilis run @ 90 # and have the same load bearing rating.
Kent
This book has the information you need. All you need are the front and back axle weights to determine the exact tire pressures your LD should be running.
https://michelinb2b.com/wps/b2bcontent/PDF/RV_Tires_Brochure.pdf Consider it to be your tire’s bible
Thanks for the link. My new TPMS just arrived and I'm getting ready to program it. However, now I need to go to my storage site and find the weight information (had it done at Allied Van Lines in Las Cruces).
Hello Kent,
With what you weigh + a reasonable cushion , do you reach 2470 # per rear tire ?
Michael
Michael,
On our maiden voyage back in Nov ‘15, we had the rig 4 corner weighed by “RV Weigh” we surprised them by how well distributed the weight was.
Front corners were nearly the same: Right front was 2025# Left front was 1950#. Underweight on the front: 1025#
Rear corners were: Right side was 4350# Left side was 4325#. Underweight on the rear: 925#
So yes. We were within specs and we carry little more than that. We had at least 3/4 tank of gasoline and a full tank of propane. Maybe a half tank of water plus provisions for a two week journey.
My wife and I were the only occupants as usual. Here are pics of the RV Weigh paperwork and the Lazy Daze manuals recommended tire pressure guide.
Hope this helps.
Kent
After a blowout this weekend rear passenger inside, I need to take tire inflation, and tire age more serious. This was my first blowout and I have to say a pretty traumatic experience. A tow recovery rope of about 5 feet with a metal clip was wrapped in between the rear dual wheels on passenger side. I’m not sure if I hit this on the road, or whether it was on the berm when I pulled off the road? The tires were 7 years old with very few miles, and looked to be in excellent shape. I really did not think I was pushing my luck. Now it’s possible I hit the metal clip on recovery rope but I do not remember seeing the rope on road. I am now an official member of the five year tire replacement club. The tire pressure was 75 psi on the rest of rear tires so I do not believe I was under inflated.
I had planned to replace with higher end Michelin or Goodyear. However, at the recommendation head guru of tire shop, who replaces all kinds of RVs tires, I went with Firestone commercial Transforce HT2. I tried to talk him in to higher end tires but he insisted I was wasting my money. They were not in stock and were special ordered. For, $1050 out the door it made sense because I think the most important factor for me going forward is proper inflation and replacement every 5 years. With my low miles, my tires are always going to look great at the end of the 5 year life span. And at this price, I will actually follow through on the replacement now that I have been tire blow-out traumatized. Not something you want to learn the hard way.
LarryD
Be aware that there are two different Michelin tires, each labeled "Cross Climate"; these links describe the differences between the LT and "C Metric" Cross Climate tires in size 225/75R/16.
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Agilis+CrossClimate&partnum=275R6ACCV2&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Agilis+CrossClimate&partnum=275R6ACC
I’m all for the “Five Year Plan”. Thinking & planning ahead, stashing away $30.00 a month will make the purchase a no brainer.
Once your brain tells you that your aged out tires can get you down the road one more time, you’re heading for disaster. After that, you will likely have to figure in the undercarriage damage cost and your sanity from the blow out.
Take care those tires don’t lead you into a false sense of security. “Oh, we’re fine. Camp is only a hundred miles away”. Like Emeril Lagasse says, “Bam” you’re goose is cooked.
Just sayin’
Kent
Ok Joan, please help me understand…. Based on the specs from your links the LT Cross Climate are rated at 2680# and 90psi max, while the C Cross Climate is rated at 3195# and 83psi max. The description only says about the difference Available in heavy-duty, LT-metric and Euro-metric Commercial Vehicle. So which one should we buy? I’m about 5 years away from having to make that choice, but the answer would help others. Thanks 😊
- John
Seven year old tires?
That is a possible cause, the rope and hook probably had been picked up earlier and may have helped caused the damage by either poking the tire or restricting the flow of cooling air between the duals.
Larry
"So which one should we buy?"
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John, I can't tell anyone which tire to buy; I can offer links to tire information, specs, and options, but the final choices are up to the person buying the tires. I hope that people do their own research, learn as much as they can about what makes a "good" tire in the appropriate application, and not rely on the word of a tire salesman. Some tire shops have knowledgeable management and trained, supervised, experienced installers, but many do not. It's up to the tire buyer to know what he/she needs and to find a shop that is dedicated to doing the job right and standing behind their work.
What I will say - and this is a "YMMV" thing, for sure - is that if I were buying new tires today, my choice would be the Agilis Cross Climate LT225/75R/16E; this tire is the latest iteration of the old "LTX" and the "Defender".
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Agilis+CrossClimate&partnum=275R6ACCV2&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes
Hah! Joan, you shoulda been a lawyer! 😘
Hah! Joan, you shoulda been a lawyer! 😘
Not at all… (and I believe you’re joking). Joan gave a good, thoughtful answer as well as what she would do in the same circumstance. I appreciate her candor; that people need to do their homework and are responsible for their own choices. Thank you Joan 👍
- John
HA! You’d know, Jon! 😉
Hello John,
The Michelin agilis cc C metric is supposedly a unidirectional tire in the 225/75R16 size .
Even though one Michelin inflation chart says otherwise, Michelin "corporate" in contrast with customer service has told me that the LT 225/75R16 E agilis cc requires 90 psi as marked on the sidewall to carry 2470 #s dual.
Michael
Lazy Daze Has changed to Hankook for 2021, anyone know why ford changed?
Lazy Daze Has changed to Hankook for 2021, anyone know why ford changed?
Low bid?
Larry
I was surprised to see the Hankook tires and asked a tire service store owner friend their opinion even though he doesn't sell them. He had heard only good reports of this brand and we have had no negative issues with ours. The ride and tracking is good. We have only used Michelin's in the past and so far I like these as well. I have no idea why Ford changed.