Is anyone else having trouble getting into the LD Companion? I tried to login and get a blogger message that I'm logged into my gmail account but that I haven't been invited to the blog.
Thanks!
Ron
I noticed the same yesterday, and still today.
Rich
The message I get is permission denied, it doesn't look like you haven't been invited to read this blog. If you think this is a mistake you might want to contact the blog author and request an invitation.
Ron
I noticed the same yesterday, and still today.
Rich
thanks for responding Rich
I was just in it yesterday. However, I only joined it a few months ago.
The same issue today. Wondered what changed, the site does not recognize my sign in, which is strange, it never required a login before.
Larry
The message I get is permission denied, it doesn't look like you haven't been invited to read this blog. If you think this is a mistake you might want to contact the blog author and request an invitation.
Ron
Try it again now that Steve has fixed the daily digest issue. Could be related???
Chris
Be careful. If it got hacked, requiring login info might be a hacker's way of collecting info.
I will email Don to ask him about it.
Ken F in NM
For what it is worth, I have an old Blogspot page, the same platform as the Companion. I just went to it to see if, perhaps, Google was doing something at their end. My blog opened without the need to log in. I also went to the Companion without using this site as a path to it, and got the login message. So, whatever is happening with the Companion, it seems to not be related to this site or to Google.
Ken F in NM
The Companion will be offline until the mods here explain to my satisfaction why the used price list was removed without any notice. It was bad enough it was not updated now it's gone. I know the prices do not reflect the asking prices for the last year or so. But, those people are either scam types or not connected to reality. There is already enough insanity going on, LDO does not have to roll over and be a part of it.
Who are the mods? I know Larry Wade is or was. I am thinking there are some that are not LD owners, but maybe that's not right.
I want to know who they are. And how they justified removing the used price list.
I am the lead Lazy Daze moderator and Judie Ashford and Larry Wade are co-moderators. At my recommendation and with my co-moderators agreement we decided to remove the used Lazy Daze asking price list because it was out of date and because we have decided not to engage in used Lazy Daze price speculation due the irrational RV resale market. We felt that in this strange world of, as you put it, Don, scam, unreal and insane types, LDOG should not be offering up price guidelines for the weird set to misuse or misinterpret. Also, there is the issue that despite all sorts of disclaimers and caveats, it's only a matter of time before someone will want to hold our feet to the fire over a suggested resale price.
Anyone who wants to sell their Lazy Daze can surf the internet RV sales sites and get an idea of what the going selling prices for LDs are.
Don, I hope you understand and accept our reasoning.
Chris
Hi Don,
I'm not a mod, but I am one of the people who has said in the past that the used asking price list was growing less and less useful each year.
For years the price list was determined by taking the list price of a new LD and discounting that price by a fixed % for each year since the coach was new. The fixed % was calculated from a survey of used prices collected around 2010 I think.
This seemed reasonable to me because a new LD coach was substantially the same as one that was 5 or even 10 years old. The Ford Chassis hadn't changed in a long time and the Ford V10 engine had been mostly the same for almost 20 years.
To me, the switch to a new Ford Chassis in 2021 is substantial. Everything has been substantially modernized and some of the standard features today weren't even imagined in 2003 when my LD was built. I would LOVE to have the new engine in my coach.
Basing the value of an older LD on the price of a new chassis model doesn't make as much sense to me as it did before the chassis update.
Adding to that, the used RV market has changed substantially over the past year. Things changed to the point that the used price guide didn't match the actual used market in any reasonable way. The guide prices were substantially lower than what was actually happening out in the marketplace.
Combine those two (new chassis and market changes) and the used price guide no longer made sense to me. Instead of helping people make a used purchase, the guide became a bit of an impediment since it no longer matched the real world situation. People could accuse this group of trying to guide prices in favor of buyers and against current owners.
As I said, I'm not a mod and I'm not privy to the reasons behind the change. I would welcome an updated used price guide, perhaps one that accounts for the new chassis and considers the changing used RV market, particularly as (if) things return to 'normal' over the next year or two.
The LD Companion has been perhaps the most useful collection of curated information for owners. I frequently pointed people to the Companion when they had questions. The LD community would be poorer if it were not to return.
Rich
LDOG should not be offering up price guidelines for the weird set to misuse or misinterpret.
Huh? The weird set is going to point to a lower price and say "look we are asking twice that?"
More likely they would object to a realistic price.
It seems you, as LDO, want to roll over and not take notice of the insanity?
I respect you and all that you do, but I am strongly opposed to your unilateral decision.
Also, there is the issue that despite all sorts of disclaimers and caveats, it's only a matter of time before someone will want to hold our feet to the fire over a suggested resale price.
You are apprehensive over personal liability? Perhaps that is the crux of the matter.
Anyone who wants to sell their Lazy Daze can surf the internet RV sales sites and get an idea of what the going selling prices for LDs are.
They can see insane asking prices. What are they selling for is unknown.
I see some logic in Rich's argument. However, the same could be said for the transition from Ford to Chevy to Ford.
I am of the mind that we have a duty to assert that a 1970 model is not worth $27,000. Or put another way, no one with any real knowledge of the market would think of paying it.
I'm not a mod, but I am one of the people who has said in the past that the used asking price list was growing less and less useful each year.
For years the price list was determined by taking the list price of a new LD and discounting that price by a fixed % for each year since the coach was new. The fixed % was calculated from a survey of used prices collected around 2010 I think.
This seemed reasonable to me because a new LD coach was substantially the same as one that was 5 or even 10 years old. The Ford Chassis hadn't changed in a long time and the Ford V10 engine had been mostly the same for almost 20 years.
To me, the switch to a new Ford Chassis in 2021 is substantial. Everything has been substantially modernized and some of the standard features today weren't even imagined in 2003 when my LD was built. I would LOVE to have the new engine in my coach.
Basing the value of an older LD on the price of a new chassis model doesn't make as much sense to me as it did before the chassis update.
Adding to that, the used RV market has changed substantially over the past year. Things changed to the point that the used price guide didn't match the actual used market in any reasonable way. The guide prices were substantially lower than what was actually happening out in the marketplace.
Combine those two (new chassis and market changes) and the used price guide no longer made sense to me. Instead of helping people make a used purchase, the guide became a bit of an impediment since it no longer matched the real world situation. People could accuse this group of trying to guide prices in favor of buyers and against current owners.
As I said, I'm not a mod and I'm not privy to the reasons behind the change. I would welcome an updated used price guide, perhaps one that accounts for the new chassis and considers the changing used RV market, particularly as (if) things return to 'normal' over the next year or two.
Rich, I agree that the price list is growing less useful each year especially, as you mentioned, with the updated Ford chassis. I'm not sure how to account for that. As you may know, I'm the one that has been doing the updates the last few years, based on the formula that Barry Barnes came up with through his used asking price survey. I actually did a 2021 update based on these formulas which I would be happy to share with anyone off forum. Just shoot me a PM with your email address and I'll send it to you so you can judge for yourself.
I think we all need to respect the wishes of the moderators on what they want to present publicly on the forum, even if there is disagreement.
With the lack of the actual selling prices in recent times being reported, it's hard to predict asking prices when there is ls little to no recent input on what they are selling for. And as we all know, the RV market has gone bonkers in the last year.
Many LD owners have had multiple inquiries about buying their rigs from strangers, it's has happened to us this year. LDs are hot right now and can demand serious increases in prices. I don't think the forum should be involved in the feeding frenzy.
The addition of the 2021 chassis has and will change the selling game again.
The list did not take into consideration what conditions and upgrades apply. We have no idea what these variables are. Online sites that list values of cars usually have a range of prices, for any car, based upon the condition.
If every member who sold or paid for their rig reported its condition and selling price, the sampling would still be a fraction of the actual numbers of used LDs sold. If the list had estimates based on actual, recent sale prices, I would agree with keeping it but there is no way to accurately do this that I can offer.
Estimated prices, based on so few recent and outdated sale price samples are worthless and misleading data.
The LDOF exists for LD owners and wannabes to meet and learn about travel and our beloved motorhomes.
Your Companion site is a detailed compilation of the facts of life owning an LD, you have done a huge amount of work on it and it would be a shame to lose it.
It's the responsibility of the moderators, and all of the senior members, to keep the information posted on the site correct, there is much to know about travel and LDs, so much of it has been disused here in-depth.
If we cannot provide accurate information about estimated selling prices, it should not be part of the website.
Larry
I can no longer access the Lazy Daze Companion website. I keep getting a message that says the blog is open to invited readers only. How do I get an invite. I could not see any place to contact the blog owner to request an invite. It is a valuable resource. What happened?
Thanks!
Randy, you will find the posts before yours informative.
Ken F in NM
I don't know quite what to think about the disagreement going on. At the moment, I don't agree with Don withdrawing the Companion website; I think that he and Ted, (wxtoad) created it so they probably technically own its content even though many members of this forum have contributed to it. I hope Don shows some flexibility and allows access to it.
BUT, I STRONGLY agree with him that the the used price guide should remain here. Maybe it needs some modifications to account for the recent jump in price for a new Lazy Daze but that doesn't mean that the old tables are irrelevant. If anything, that price guide helped maintain a higher value on LDs owned by current members and at least it had some basis for pricing. Without that guide, WHAT are you going to use to establish a price when the time comes to sell your rig. Do you really think the NADA RV guide offers a fair guide to valuation?!
I am not an attorney and I don't understand what the "holding our feet to the fire" thought is? It was always my understanding that the used pricing guide was just that, a guide. It helped establish some basis for pricing that helped both the seller and buyer reach an understanding. Where do you folks suggest we go now?
I think the current situation of a withdrawn price guide and the loss of the Companion is a double loss situation. Nobody wins and everybody loses. Come on people.....we are better than this!
Steve K
The Lazy Daze Companion Backup: History of Lazy Daze (http://theldcompanion.blogspot.com/p/history-of-lazy-daze.html?m=1)
I may have been using the wrong site. The above site is what I have been using with ne log-in request.
The used price guide is simple to replicate. I'll post below how to calculate the values if anyone thinks it would help them.
Perhaps someone would be interested in hosting it elsewhere if they believe it's an asset to the community.
Prices are calculated as follows: Take the current price for a new LD of the size you are considering (New Price). Determine the age in years of the coach you are looking at (age). (^ here means raised to the exponent 'age' or multiply by .9094 'age' times)
Used price = New Price * .9094 ^ age
For example. I'm looking at a 3 year old MB coach. The New Price today is $114,750
The suggested price for a 3 year old version (2018 model) would be:
$114,750 * .9094 ^ 3 = $86301
or
$114,750 * .9094 *.9094 * .9094 = $86301
That's it. It's not a complicated model.
Hope that helps,
Rich
P.S. - All models are wrong - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_models_are_wrong)
The used price guide is simple to replicate. I'll post below how to calculate the values if anyone thinks it would help them.
Perhaps someone would be interested in hosting it elsewhere if they believe it's an asset to the community.
Prices are calculated as follows: Take the current price for a new LD of the size you are considering (New Price). Determine the age in years of the coach you are looking at (age). (^ here means raised to the exponent 'age' or multiply by .9094 'age' times)
Used price = New Price * .9094 ^ age
For example. I'm looking at a 3 year old MB coach. The New Price today is $114,750
The suggested price for a 3 year old version (2018 model) would be:
$114,750 * .9094 ^ 3 = $86301
or
$114,750 * .9094 *.9094 * .9094 = $86301
Almost, Rich. The 2017 model would be $86, 301. A 2018 model would be $94,898. Reason being there was no 2020 model. But then again, all models are wrong, right? ;)
First: whatever you think about the asking price guide, holding the Lazy Daze Companion hostage to get your way is not the act of a good citizen.
Second: the idea that "we have a duty to assert that a 1970 model is not worth $27,000" is wrong. An object is worth what you can sell it for. If the market is such that a 1970 LD sells for $27,000, then that is reality. It's not our duty to tell the world, in a list that will be seen as authoritative, what we think prices should be. That would be futile and dishonest.
Third, the relatively small number of Lazy Dazes in existence, and the even smaller number resold, make any such list questionable. The sample size is just too small to reliably extrapolate from.
We'd all like to have an accurate guide to used LD pricing. Unfortunately, it just isn't possible to create one, and it's misleading to pretend that we can. I agree with the moderators: If we cannot provide accurate information about estimated selling prices, it should not be part of the website.
But most important, I'll return to my first point: whatever you think about the asking price guide, holding the Lazy Daze Companion hostage to get your way is wrong. Feel free to discuss how the Forum is run, but don't punish all the members just because you disagree with the moderators' actions.
Almost, Rich. The 2017 model would be $86, 301. A 2018 model would be $94,898. Reason being there was no 2020 model. But then again, all models are wrong, right? ;)
I wouldn't look at it that way, but others are free to. It does highlight part of the problem that comes with the chassis switch.
My 2003 didn't magically stop depreciating for a year because the factory didn't produce a 2020 model.
On the flip side, is a coach built and delivered in 2020 (called a 2021) worth just as much as one built and delivered in 2021 (also called a 2021). I don't know....
A similar problem occurs when you compare a December 2013 coach to a January 2014 version. Things get even murkier when you learn that the January 2014 model is on a Ford 2013 chassis. I'm not even sure when LD rolls over the model year. Cars change well before the calendar changes.
The whole exercise is a crude approximation at best.
Rich
. . . . A similar problem occurs when you compare a December 2013 coach to a January 2014 version. Things get even murkier when you learn that the January 2014 model is on a Ford 2013 chassis. I'm not even sure when LD rolls over the model year. Cars change well before the calendar changes.
The whole exercise is a crude approximation at best.
Rich
You may have a point in the general. However, in the 2013 timeframe, my 31 IB for which I contracted in early November 2013 was the last 27/31 frame that Todd said they had for the year. Other years may differ.
joel
The last several posts show pretty clearly why the moderators place little trust in the model. The model is based on a clear, straightforward equation. If you wish to rely on that, copy down the equation, save it, and you will forever have the pricing model information that was removed from the site. However, in the four posts that followed, nobody - not one person - felt that the model could be accurately applied.
Andy reflected my feelings about this best. Don and Ted created something monumental that has been of great value to us. If Don choses to remove his legacy contribution, that is his right, but I would be disappointed by that. As to him trying to force the reinstatement of the pricing model, it is moot. With the posting of the formula, the pricing model is available to all, with no need for inclusion in this forum. So, Don, copy down and save the formula, and you have what you wanted.
Ken F in NM
Gee, Andy why don't you try really offending me? Maybe go off on one of your rants about southern culture.
Tell us how long since you owned an LD?
I brought this topic up a few months ago when the price list was switched. I tried discussion, I got ignored. Still basically ignored. No ground for compromise offered.
Chris, a prince of a fellow, decided to remove the list. Maybe it's worthless in the eyes of many. But it is the best available.
I do feel a responsibility to advise owners of reasonable pricing. Just as much I think it worthwhile to advise how to repair an appliance, tire selection, etc. Friends, I see no difference. Not a whit of difference. Are you in favor of dog eat dog? Buyer beware and It's worth what a person will pay are timeworn adages. I advocate educating buyers.
Let me give a somewhat outsider view.
The companion guide is a wonderful resource, but’s not without its flaws or seriously outdated information. But I wouldn’t want to toss it because of that. If I run across a dated reference, I evaluate whether it’s applicable to my LD, perhaps use it as a starting point of a forum question, which may get it updated based on the discussion. That way the companion is a living document, like a wiki. (Side note, probably should become a wiki someday)
Treat the price list the same way. Is it dated? Yes, from what I’ve read, it’s been estimates based 2010 price info, with a formula that seems to have been reliable until everything went haywire in 2020.
As others have said, the price list was always suspect due to few data points over the years. Heck, even if we somehow had prices for every used LD sold out there, the list would still be suspect since there are so few LDs out there. And condition is everything as well.
With all that uncertainty, I’d still find value in the price list, as it provides
Historic information on how LDs have held their value.
Ball park figures for the value of a certain year
Higher, I expect the LD to be in great condition
Lower, I wonder what issues are there
Is the current market for any used RV incredibly speculative? Hell yes, and will remain that way until the pandemic is well behind us. Put an obvious disclaimer to that effect at the top, but the guide still has merit as the best estimate we have to what a LD should go for, in normal times. That would be useful to see, even in this very crazy market.
Do I believe Kelly Blue Book or Edmunds when I am looking to sell or buy a car, no, but I do look at it for a ballpark feel on pricing, a starting point.
What is sad to read in this thread is the intense animosity on display, quite out of character for these forums.
Don
If you believe in the necessity of having a pricing guide, and think it is accurate, how about including it in the Companion?
That would continue its existence, educate the public and drive more traffic to your site, a win-win for you.
It would also end the dispute on the pricing guide's existence. A win-win for all of us.
Larry
Folks, your comments have been noted. Larry, Judie and I are working through this issue. Please have patience and take deep breaths.
Chris
Any pricing model formula of “one-size-fits-all” is totally flawed. The model does not even account for miles driven. Of course, a full time living RV could have a heavily used interior and have low miles. Other RVs will have low miles and like new interiors. The current pricing guide is cost driven; whereas, market price is “value” drive. And people trying to escape a pandemic have a higher perceived value right now. Same thing happening with boats right now. Same with housing caused by low inventory and low interest rates and a booming stock market. For sure, it’s a sellers market but will probably remain high for some time with so many baby boomers retiring.
I worked in Industrial equipment pricing for several years and you were required to be very protective of pricing from a legal standpoint. I really do not see the current pricing guide as useful or prudent to make available. Just my 2 cents. But I don’t like any kind of legal liability. And as an owner, I want to maximize my sell price unless I give my RV to my kids (more likely to happen).
First, I have never so much as looked at the price guide, so I could be way off in my understanding. That being said, it is my understanding that the prices were determined by a formula that, at some time in the past, seemed to be an empirical fit for some reported numbers. If I have it right, the price guide, being a simple formula, contains no historic information as to how LD's have held their value. Then, because the formula is not adjusted for newer years, changing economies or actual sale prices, the formula does not, and cannot, provide ballpark figures for today's market.
If I am wrong and there have been actual sale prices included in the price guide, I apologize, and I commend whoever was collecting such data and including it in the price guide. Even with that, though, actual sale prices include many intangibles.
For example, I have multiple solar panels, multiple AGM batteries, a whole house inverter, and a total lighting conversion to LED's. The solar, battery and inverter package was an $8000 item when installed, and should have lost little or no value. I have Quadra Bigfoot levelers. That was a $3000 item and, like the solar, should have lost little if any value. So, were I to sell my rig right now, I would start with a base price estimate, to which I would add $11,000. If my rig sold for my asking price and I submitted that price to the price list for inclusion, that would not be representative of what most could expect. Inclusion of my sale price would reduce the reliability and applicability of the price list.
I have never looked at the price list because no such listing can adequately address these variables. As someone with a science and engineering background, I would much rather have no data than have bad or misleading data.
Ken F in NM
To Dave Katleman,
You made many good points.
The Companion is certainly flawed. It was flawed from the start. I had several people contributing content, Notablely Ted Houghton. He was not of a mind to "index it" as I intended and the quantity of material overwhelmed me. There are numerous dead links. I would have imported the material into the posts, rather than risking 404's. I asked for help in curing those links a few years ago, but interest waned.
Making The Companion a wiki was "promised" when LDO was migrated from Yahoo. I never heard more about it. I have no clue how it could be done.
Occasionally someone will suggest adding a post made here to The Companion. I sure don't read every post, so a lot of material has gone under the bridge.
Treat the price list the same way. Is it dated? Yes, from what I’ve read, it’s been estimates based 2010 price info
The list goes back to at least 2006. And there have been chassis changes over the 60 years. I have looked at it as a starting point, say +-10k. To use an extreme example there was 1970 advertised for $27,000 because it was museum quality. It could not be worth $7,000. I think naive buyers should have some frame of reference.
Is the current market for any used RV incredibly speculative? Hell yes, and will remain that way until the pandemic is well behind us. The housing market is a bidding war in many cities across the country. Is that related to the pandemic also?
What is sad to read in this thread is the intense animosity on display, quite out of character for these forums.
Indeed, I am sad about that also. I have disappointed people I consider friends. I have a strong inclination to push back when I feel I have been ignored. I think all of us have been ignored by silently removing the list.
And yes, I would host the price list on The Companion, but it seems I would be saddled with updating it. Nope, I have more than enough on my plate. Not sure LDO would want to link to it.
I think the Companion is back?
I think the Companion is back?
Yep, the link at the top of this page worked for me! ☺
Thank you, Don.
Ken F in NM
As posted recently, the Lazy Daze Used Price Guide has been removed from LDOG for several reasons, the most important being that the compound interest rate formula (negative in this case) is far from accurate in that the increase in RV resale asking prices has far exceeded the formula's ability to cope. Don Malpas, who created and owns the Lazy Daze Companion site is disappointed we removed the price guide and feels that the take down was "high handed". Thus, Don has blocked access to the Companion.
We moderators are sorry to see the Companion and Don leave LDOG, but that is Don's choice.
If in the future the Lazy Daze resale market stabilizes - and it probably will, and if someone can come up with a more accurate formula for assigning suggested resale prices, then we consider publishing a resale price guide.
Chris, Judie, Larry
I attempted to access the Companion and noticed that the link still didn't work. It was a good resource on dought but there are a lot of resources right on this forum's search function. An accurate price sheet is impossible when the market bears the price that the seller names. Every body does a fine job, keep up the good work.
Jon
Making The Companion a wiki was "promised" when LDO was migrated from Yahoo. I never heard more about it. I have no clue how it could be done.
Occasionally someone will suggest adding a post made here to The Companion. I sure don't read every post, so a lot of material has gone under the bridge.
I would like to take a swing at the conversion to a wiki, I should have enough time this summer once I am done with taxes and my father’s estate.
This is what I get.
All the information in the Companion came from Forum postings, searching the archives can provide much of the missing information as well as using Google.
Larry
Two issues with Lazy Daze Companion
1. the link from this site is broken see attached screen shot
2. The Lazy Daze Companion Backup: History of Lazy Daze (http://theldcompanion.blogspot.com/p/history-of-lazy-daze.html?m=1) is working.
glen
1. the link from this site is broken see attached screen shot
glen
I attempted to access the Companion and noticed that the link still didn't work.
Jon
Thus, Don has blocked access to the Companion.
Chris, Judie, Larry
Don took the Companion offline and left the LDOG.
Charles
Greetings LD-ers!
Is lazydazearticles.blogspot.com working as expected for others?
I've tried looking some articles up today and have been met with the site asking me to login and then telling me that I do not have permission to read the articles. However, now I am able to browse the site, but there are no articles to read.
Are others seeing the same issues I am?
Or are folks having success visiting the articles blog?
Thanks for any help!
-m
Please read this thread. As far as I'm aware, the Companion is no longer available on the LDO forum.
Lazy Daze Companion Access Issues (https://www.lazydazeowners.com/index.php?topic=36371.msg230507;topicseen#new)
Hi Joan,
I'm sorry, but I am not finding the thread. Am I missing something?
Thanks!
-m
It does help if one remembers to post the link referred to! Duh. Sorry. (See above.)
"m," as Joan said, the thread in question is this one (https://www.lazydazeowners.com/index.php?topic=36371.0;all). In a nutshell: the moderators removed an inaccurate price list from this site. Don Malpas, who was maintaining the Lazy Daze Companion website you referred to, disagreed, and when the price list was not restored, he took the Companion website offline and left the group.
As Larry had posted in that topic, the vast majority of the content can be found by searching the LDO site, since that's where pretty much all the info originated.
Hover over Community, click Search, and use the advanced search option to find all sorts of things. You can even put in a member name, say you recalled Joan had an excellent coffee tip and you want to see her exact posts on the subject. Just type coffee as the search term then refine by member Joan. If you select "most recent" as your search results order, you'll see her most recent thoughts on the subject.
Looks like the link is working again. Were we just in a “time out”? :)
I am grateful to whomever brought this valuable resource back to our Neighborhood. And I hope Don is hanging around here and that he will accept my thanks and a virtual handshake. Thank you 🙏.
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I’m sad and disappointed to see the take-down of the Lazy Daze Companion. I worked with Don quite a few years ago to organize it and seed it with some basic info. In the ensuing years, many members of this group contributed hundreds of useful items which made the LDC a fantastic resource. To answer Steve K’s comment, the true owners of the group are the LDOF folks, past and present, who made it so useful with their submissions.
To me the debate over the usefulness of the used price list is not a valid reason to shut down the LDC. The list was only a tiny part of the contents and it’s a shame to deprive members of the amazing breadth of information the Companion contained.....including the awesomely informative thread about the myriad ways to make coffee in an LD. LOL.
Don, I hope you’ll reconsider your stand on this and re-open the Companion.
Regards to all.
WxToad
I’m sad and disappointed to see the take-down of the Lazy Daze Companion. I worked with Don quite a few years ago to organize it and seed it with some basic info. In the ensuing years, many members of this group contributed hundreds of useful items which made the LDC a fantastic resource. To answer Steve K’s comment, the true owners of the group are the LDOF folks, past and present, who made it so useful with their submissions.
To me the debate over the usefulness of the used price list is not a valid reason to shut down the LDC. The list was only a tiny part of the contents and it’s a shame to deprive members of the amazing breadth of information the Companion contained.....including the awesomely informative thread about the myriad ways to make coffee in an LD. LOL.
Don, I hope you’ll reconsider your stand on this and re-open the Companion.
Regards to all.
WxToad
Ted, the Companion is alive and accessible on the home page.
Chris
Glad to hear that, Chris. Thanks.
Ted, the Companion is alive and accessible on the home page.
Chris
On this homepage? Where can we access it from?
Hold on nevermind I found it. Oh man, this is great news. Has it always been sitting there?
On this homepage? Where can we access it from?
Hold on nevermind I found it. Oh man, this is great news. Has it always been sitting there?
Yes, since we went to this platform or shortly thereafter.
Chris