Hello again,
Does anyone have the measurements of the shower floor for the 24 TK and 37 MB?
Thank you, again, for your help.
Kat
Hi Kat,
My '03 TK shower pan measures 36" wide facing the shower opening. The right side is 27" deep and the left side is 23" deep. The whole bathroom including toilet is 36"x45".
Steve
Hi Kat,
My '03 TK shower pan measures 36" wide facing the shower opening. The right side is 27" deep and the left side is 23" deep. The whole bathroom including toilet is 36"x45".
Steve
Thank you very much, Steve! That's exactly what I needed to know.
Kat
Kat, if you are checking how it would feel to use the bathroom, remember in the TK, the sink is inside the shower. That affects standing space (and leaning down to shave legs space :D ).
Trying out some bathrooms. Look for LDs nearby you (do a post asking if you can see anyone in or coming by your area - often people are happy to show of their LD. Then practice by going thru the motions of sitting on the toilet, brushing your teeth, taking a shower, etc. This can help you get a good feel for how they are to use.
Jane
Kat, if you are checking how it would feel to use the bathroom, remember in the TK, the sink is inside the shower. That affects standing space (and leaning down to shave legs space :D ).
Trying out some bathrooms. Look for LDs nearby you (do a post asking if you can see anyone in or coming by your area - often people are happy to show of their LD. Then practice by going thru the motions of sitting on the toilet, brushing your teeth, taking a shower, etc. This can help you get a good feel for how they are to use.
Jane
Hi Jane and Scott,
I'm seeing if I can store something in there while on the move. :)
I'm seeing if I can store something in there while on the move. :)
Okay, I'll bite...
what, like a body and a canned ham?! ;)
Linda
Thank you very much, Steve! That's exactly what I needed to know.
Kat
Hi Steve,
Jane and Scott make a good point. I'm sorry to trouble you twice. Would you tell me please how far the sink protrudes into the shower?
Thank you so so much.
Kat
Okay, I'll bite...
what, like a body and a canned ham?! ;)
Linda
Linda! hahahahahaha :D
I'm debating between the 24 and 27 sizes, trying to see if I would be able to fit what I want to take, if I go out for weeks/months (possibly someday years?) at a time for work or volunteering, and I need a spot roughly 25Lx14Wx29H. I'm assuming the shower is my best bet.
I saw a video tour of the 27 MB and fell in love with it. The windows in the back won me over. I'm trying to determine if I can "get away with" the 24 instead, for better locations boondocking. I love to spend time in wild areas, learning from nature, and I think I would be able to do more in a 24 than a 27, but I'm unwilling to compromise on some things. It's all a trade-off right, between being comfortable in camp, and carrying/driving to and from.
I just assumed people might already know some of these measurements.
Kat
Linda! hahahahahaha :D
I'm debating between the 24 and 27 sizes, trying to see if I would be able to fit what I want to take, if I go out for weeks/months (possibly someday years?) at a time for work or volunteering, and I need a spot roughly 25Lx14Wx29H. I'm assuming the shower is my best bet.
I saw a video tour of the 27 MB and fell in love with it. The windows in the back won me over. I'm trying to determine if I can "get away with" the 24 instead, for better locations boondocking. I love to spend time in wild areas, learning from nature, and I think I would be able to do more in a 24 than a 27, but I'm unwilling to compromise on some things. It's all a trade-off right, between being comfortable in camp, and carrying/driving to and from.
I just assumed people might already know some of these measurements.
Kat
Go with what you "love". It's only 3' longer.
Chris
Hi Steve,
Jane and Scott make a good point. I'm sorry to trouble you twice. Would you tell me please how far the sink protrudes into the shower?
Thank you so so much.
Kat
Hi Kat,
You bet, you can think of the sink as being a suspended pedestal. It protrudes into the shower just shy of 11". It's also 21" wide and 7" deep.
The windows in the back won me over.
I'm trying to determine if I can "get away with" the 24 instead, for better locations boondocking.
Kat, the back windows are marvelous with their postcard views!
In regard to boondocking, my brain kept me awake thinking about how to navigate the more serious dips and gullies I'll encounter trekking to the outer regions. I kept wondering if there's a way to avoid bottoming out on inclines. I think I'm going to try using the leveling blocks under the tires in the bottom of the gully to raise up the rear. I can roll it up on the blocks, then add more blocks in front of the duals as needed to clear the rear. Kind of like building a toy bridge out of adult sized legos. ;)
Have you any ideas you can share?
Cheers,
Linda
I think I'm going to try using the leveling blocks under the tires in the bottom of the gully to raise up the rear. I can roll it up on the blocks, then add more blocks in front of the duals as needed to clear the rear. Kind of like building a toy bridge out of adult sized legos. ;)
That may work until one of the blocks sinks a bit and the rear of the rig falls sideways. Until you have tried jacking one of these beasts up, you have not lived.
A backcountry extraction of a 14,000-lb vehicle could cost you thousands, depending on how far off a paved road you are.
You might want to temper your expectations of where you can take an LD.
The lack of ground clearance is always going to be a constant issue. LDs have a low profile compared to most Class Cs. One of the methods LDs uses to achieve this is short exterior storage compartments and hanging the holding tanks low, under the floor, instead of up inside a storage compartment, as is common in taller rigs. The dump valves end up with minimal ground clearance, it's the lowest spot on most LDs, along with the coach's entry step.
I watched as a friend tried a ramp maneuver with his LD, similar to what you proposed, and cringed when he clipped and cracked the black tank's valve...with nearly full tanks. Drip, drip, drip.
It wasn't the most pleasant afternoon spent rectifying the problem.
Larry
"You might want to temper your expectations of where you can take an LD."
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I'm reasonably adventurous when selecting where I am willing to drive the rig (and there have been a few cringe-worthy experiences that involved finally getting to a flat spot to check to make sure the undercarriage was still there!), but I definitely agree with Larry's counsel on goat trail "expectation tempering".
The LD is not a high-clearance, off-road vehicle; in addition to the real risks of getting stuck in a place where extraction would be very difficult (and possibly risking damage from the haul out itself), the rig offers dozens of components, not only underneath, but on the top, the sides, the front...., that can be punctured, ripped off, smashed, dented, and gouged if one makes a poor choice of where to attempt to drive it. And that's on the outside of the rig; depending on the severity of the shaking and bouncing, drawers and/or cupboards can pop open and fling stuff everywhere, anything heavy and not tied down can become a missile, the contents of the refrigerator will definitely assume different positions, and any passenger(s) or animals may not deal well with the E-ticket ride.
I well understand the temptation to risk a very dicey route get to an isolated, beautiful boondock spot, but sometimes, conceding the limitations is the prudent choice.
As always, YMMV.
In regard to boondocking, my brain kept me awake thinking about how to navigate the more serious dips and gullies I'll encounter trekking to the outer regions. I kept wondering if there's a way to avoid bottoming out on inclines. I think I'm going to try using the leveling blocks under the tires in the bottom of the gully to raise up the rear. I can roll it up on the blocks, then add more blocks in front of the duals as needed to clear the rear. Kind of like building a toy bridge out of adult sized legos. ;)
Better hope Andy doesn't read this torture you're planning with his old baby...
Steve
"I well understand the temptation to risk a very dicey route get to an isolated, beautiful boondock spot, but sometimes, conceding the limitations is the prudent choice. "
As with many facets of life, one must evaluate among choices and tick off as many boxes as possible under each. The boxes should be in "deal breaker", then "desirable" order. This is such a subjective task that one can only take it on with the thought in mind that you may not agree - even with yourself - with the same conclusions on different days.
Careful perusal of the posts on this subject covered at this Lazy Daze board will show the personal satisfaction level as achieved (or not) by various members. How do their experiences match your goals? If their goals and levels of achievement match your own, then you have something to think about and take as a reference. What would you do differently? Is what you desire a feasible undertaking? What are the consequences of going "off script"? Are you physically and fiscally prepared to handle unexpected, and possibly very costly, unplanned circumstances?
Sometimes one vehicle just won't be able to round all the bases, so the tow hitch must be deployed, which brings on its own set of circumstances.
Much to think about at each decision juncture.
Virtual hugs,
Judie <-- Sierra Vista, Arizona
Adventures of Dorrie Anne | Photographing the West (http://dorrieanne.wordpress.com)
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Hello again,
Does anyone have the measurements of the shower floor for the 24 TK and 37 MB?
Thank you, again, for your help.
Kat
Shower stall dimensions are listed under "features and specifications" on the lazydaze.com site.
Chris
Does anyone have the measurements of the shower floor for the 24 TK and 37 MB?
Kat,
This is from LDs 2020 specs:
Approximate shower stall dimensions. Measurements are in inches.
NOTE: Some showers are not completely rectangular.
24’ Twin-King Bed 24.5D x 36W x 78.5 high
24’ Front Dinette 27D x 33W x 78.5 high
27’ Mid Bath 25D x 32W x 78.5 high
27’ Rear Bath 27D x 33W x 78.5 high
31’ Island Bed 22.5D x 37.5W x 78.5 high
31’ Twin Bed 22.5D x 37.5W x 78.5 high
Bonne chance!
Linda
Does anyone have the measurements of the shower floor for the 24 TK and 27 MB?
See photo for shower dimensions in my 2003 MidBath
Margin of error: -/+ 1/2"
Thank you Linda! I greatly appreciate the effort to draw that all up!! :D
Kat
Wow! Thank you for the listing of shower specs! I'm good! I couldn't ask for more. Thank you for posting that here!!!
Thank you, Chris. I didn't see your response until today. I didn't realize shower specs were spelled out on the sheets. Thank you Linda, for posting it and making it so so easy.
Kat, the back windows are marvelous with their postcard views!
In regard to boondocking, <<SNIP>>
Have you any ideas you can share?
Cheers,
Linda
Linda,
I did see a video where people replaced their ?springs/stabilizers/shocks? with larger ones to raise up the rig. I'm concerned because I don't want the center of gravity to be too high. Yet, when I'm looking at photos of these rigs (Covid-19 keeps me home) a pipe or two on certain models APPEARS to be 4-5" off the ground. That's the equivalent of a Prius. That's too low (IMO) for anything other than a regular washboard service road. I would like to boondock, so I'd like 7-10" ground clearance for off-road campsites in BLM/Natl Forest, etc. I'm willing to give up mileage for the ability to go into BLM.
I'm reading other people's experiences what's comfortable for them. It's all so subjective. When someone says "I've taken it down this or that road" doesn't give me any way to judge what that means. So I'm looking for something I can use to understand what's a fit for me.
I really appreciate this group's openness and willingness to help a newbie! I also understand it may just be I'm not getting it because I haven't yet experienced it. I'm unwilling to take a rental to a risky place, either. Seems inconsiderate of others' property. I'll figure it out over time, I guess.
Thanks again, to all !
Kat
I did see a video where people replaced their ?springs/stabilizers/shocks? with larger ones to raise up the rig. I'm concerned because I don't want the center of gravity to be too high. Yet, when I'm looking at photos of these rigs (Covid-19 keeps me home) a pipe or two on certain models APPEARS to be 4-5" off the ground. That's the equivalent of a Prius. That's too low (IMO) for anything other than a regular washboard service road. I would like to boondock, so I'd like 7-10" ground clearance for off-road campsites in BLM/Natl Forest, etc. I'm willing to give up mileage for the ability to go into BLM.
Along with high clearance, off-road ability is also influenced by the wheelbase, the longer the rig, the more likely it is to high center or hit the rear end's long overhang. The 99" width is also a serious limitation, much wider than other vehicles.
The E450's suspension is limited in how much it can be raised and the tire size is locked, nothing bigger will fit.
You will not be able to get the off-road performance you want in a LD. That's why we pull a Jeep.
You need a 4X4 pickup with a camper or a similar vehicle.
If a motorhome's amenities are desired, a 4X4 Sprinter van conversion might better suit your needs.
Larry
Along with high clearance, off-road ability is also influenced by the wheelbase, the longer the rig, the more likely it is to high center or hit the rear end's long overhang. The 99" width is also a serious limitation, much wider than other vehicles.
The E450's suspension is limited in how much it can be raised and the tire size is locked, nothing bigger will fit.
You will not be able to get the off-road performance you want in a LD. That's why we pull a Jeep.
You need a 4X4 pickup with a camper or a similar vehicle.
If a motorhome's amenities are desired, a 4X4 Sprinter van conversion might better suit your needs.
Larry
Thank you, Larry. I didn't know about the wheel size restrictions, either. I think a pickup with camper would be too small for me, unless I only use it vacationing for a week or two at a time. I'd like to spend several weeks to months at a time in it, which means -- for me -- more space inside. I like LD because most of the smaller rigs give me a cramped feeling, but the big windows on these don't do that. I'll check the vans again, but I've been through many many designs. I'll revisit. Maybe I just need to tow a car.
Thanks for taking the time to educate me.
Kat
"I would like to boondock, so I'd like 7-10" ground clearance for off-road campsites in BLM/Natl Forest, etc. I'm willing to give up mileage for the ability to go into BLM."
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I've boondocked on plenty of BLM and national forest lands all over the west, as have many others on the board; many BLM and/or national forest or other public lands areas are easily accessible. Some aren't without an appropriate vehicle, of course, but one just has to research and plan ahead to determine if an area can be reached without tearing up the rig.
You mentioned that you like "wild places" - and many of us do - but have you camped on a variety of BLM and national forest lands? If you have limited experience, maybe these web sites (a very few among dozens) might offer some starting points for further research and help you to determine which "RV" would best suit what you feel you want to do:
Visit | Bureau of Land Management (https://www.blm.gov/visit/search/)
Campground Directory and National Forest Campgrounds (https://forestcamping.com/)
Boondocking - Dispersed Camping In Remote Locations | RV Camping (https://www.rv-camping.org/boondocking/)
USDA Forest Service - Caring for the land and serving people. (https://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/programs/ohv/ohv_maps.shtml)
Benchmark Maps — Recreation Atlases & Maps of The American West (https://www.benchmarkmaps.com/)
Websites for individual national forests offer specific information on the ranger districts, facilities, services, and restrictions within that NF; if you haven't done so, you might want to check out a few in areas of interest to you.
In the 118,000 miles that I've traveled in my 2003 TK, the biggest "access constraint" by far has not been issues with clearances, but rather the width of the rig; a more narrow rig definitely has fewer road choice and campsite access limitations.
YMMV.
"I would like to boondock, so I'd like 7-10" ground clearance for off-road campsites in BLM/Natl Forest, etc. I'm willing to give up mileage for the ability to go into BLM."
----
I've boondocked on plenty of BLM and national forest lands all over the west, as have many others on the board; many BLM and/or national forest or other public lands areas are easily accessible. Some aren't without an appropriate vehicle, of course, but one just has to research and plan ahead to determine if an area can be reached without tearing up the rig.
You mentioned that you like "wild places" - and many of us do - but have you camped on a variety of BLM and national forest lands? If you have limited experience, maybe these web sites (a very few among dozens) might offer some starting points for further research and help you to determine which "RV" would best suit what you feel you want to do:
Visit | Bureau of Land Management (https://www.blm.gov/visit/search/)
Campground Directory and National Forest Campgrounds (https://forestcamping.com/)
Boondocking - Dispersed Camping In Remote Locations | RV Camping (https://www.rv-camping.org/boondocking/)
USDA Forest Service - Caring for the land and serving people. (https://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/programs/ohv/ohv_maps.shtml)
Benchmark Maps — Recreation Atlases & Maps of The American West (https://www.benchmarkmaps.com/)
Websites for individual national forests offer specific information on the ranger districts, facilities, services, and restrictions within that NF; if you haven't done so, you might want to check out a few in areas of interest to you.
In the 118,000 miles that I've traveled in my 2003 TK, the biggest "access constraint" by far has not been issues with clearances, but rather the width of the rig; a more narrow rig definitely has fewer road choice and campsite access limitations.
YMMV.
Thank you, Joan, for the links! I will definitely send time there reviewing. 🙂
Linda,
I did see a video where people replaced their ?springs/stabilizers/shocks? with larger ones to raise up the rig. I'm concerned because I don't want the center of gravity to be too high. Yet, when I'm looking at photos of these rigs (Covid-19 keeps me home) a pipe or two on certain models APPEARS to be 4-5" off the ground. That's the equivalent of a Prius. That's too low (IMO) for anything other than a regular washboard service road. I would like to boondock, so I'd like 7-10" ground clearance for off-road campsites in BLM/Natl Forest, etc. I'm willing to give up mileage for the ability to go into BLM.
I'm reading other people's experiences what's comfortable for them. It's all so subjective. When someone says "I've taken it down this or that road" doesn't give me any way to judge what that means. So I'm looking for something I can use to understand what's a fit for me.
I really appreciate this group's openness and willingness to help a newbie! I also understand it may just be I'm not getting it because I haven't yet experienced it. I'm unwilling to take a rental to a risky place, either. Seems inconsiderate of others' property. I'll figure it out over time, I guess.
Thanks again, to all !
Kat
Kat,
People tend to offer advice based on their view of the world which is heavily influenced by the level of fear and anxiety they experience. You've done a lot of homework and know what you want. Boondocking is high on your list! Woot! Don't sweat the little stuff, the rig you buy won't be perfect but you'll make it *your* version of perfect.
Some of my best choices in life were mistakes. Don't let anyone chase away your dream with their fear.
You've got this!
Pull the trigger. ;)
Linda
Kat, try taking a 4WD course and you would be amazed at what roads you can traverse.
Kat, try taking a 4WD course and you would be amazed at what roads you can traverse.
Great idea! I didn't know there was such a thing. I've left messages also with bus/ RV and Truck driving schools.