I have locked the Non-member Classified Listings for 2018 and started the same topic for 2019. Please start fresh with your listings for non-member Lazy Dazes for sale on this thread. This has been a useful thread for our members, and sorting it by year will keep it more manageable. In 2018 there were 13 pages of listings and about about 12,000 page views. Thanks to all of you who have contributed.
Chris
1998 Lazy Daze island queen, Class C RV For Sale By Owner in Ogunquit, Maine... (https://www.rvt.com/Lazy-Daze-island-queen-1998-Ogunquit-ME-ID8522386-UX302290)
1998 Lazy Daze Island Bed for sale
2001 mid bath in San Diego
2001 Lazy Daze 26.5 mid bath - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/rvs/d/san-diego-2001-lazy-daze-265-mid-bath/6789639661.html)
2000 26.5 rear queen
2000 Lazy Daze E450 Triton V10 36k Miles 26ft Rear Private Bedroom - rvs -... (https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/rvs/d/riverside-2000-lazy-daze-e450-triton/6789285035.html)
2007 rear bath in Vegas low miles.
2007 Lazy Daze 26.5 RB, Las Vegas NV - - RVtrader.com (https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2007-Lazy-Daze-26.5-RB-5005647195)
1995 Mid Bath in South Carolina
1995 Lazy Daze 26.5 MID-BATH, BEAUFORT SC - - RVtrader.com (https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/1995-Lazy-Daze-26.5-MID-BATH-5005611194)
2000 30' IB in Oklahoma
2000 Lazy Daze 30' IB Class C Motor Home with 2011 Kia Soul - rvs - by owner... (https://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/rvs/d/choctaw-2000-lazy-daze-30-ib-class/6795119475.html)
1995 RB in California
1995 Lazy Daze rear bath 26" - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/rvs/d/lakewood-1995-lazy-daze-rear-bath-26/6799552587.html)
2002 30'er in california
2002 Lazy Days 30FT Model 30IBWB - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/rvs/d/lodi-2002-lazy-days-30ft-model-30ibwb/6813940368.html)
Duro. I’ve been missing your posts on this topic. Glad to see your new post.
Duro. I’ve been missing your posts on this topic. Glad to see your new post.
Thanks I have been slacking lately. Fell and broke my leg after thanksgiving just been busy with doctor appointments and now therapy.
1994 Mid Bath in Texas
1994 Lazy Daze 26.5' Midbath Class C motorhome - rvs - by owner - vehicle... (https://houston.craigslist.org/rvs/d/houston-1994-lazy-daze-265-midbath/6817994925.html)
1994 Mid Bath in Texas
1994 Lazy Daze 26.5' Midbath Class C motorhome - rvs - by owner - vehicle... (https://houston.craigslist.org/rvs/d/houston-1994-lazy-daze-265-midbath/6817994925.html)
That's mine, which I also listed on this forum 😎
Paul
1993 30' east of Sacramento
1993 LAZY DAZE 30' class C - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://sacramento.craigslist.org/rvs/d/truckee-1993-lazy-daze-30-class/6819023947.html)
1985 22' in West Arizona
1985 Lazy Daze 22 ft. - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://mohave.craigslist.org/rvs/d/lake-havasu-city-1985-lazy-daze-22-ft/6818657645.html)
1997 23' TK in Florida
23' LAZY DAZE MOTORHOME - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://sarasota.craigslist.org/rvs/d/parrish-23-lazy-daze-motorhome/6823978446.html)
2000 26.5' rear kitchen in California
2000 Lazy Daze 26 1/2' Rear Kitchen Floor Plan - rvs - by owner - vehicle... (https://ventura.craigslist.org/rvs/d/ventura-2000-lazy-daze-rear-kitchen/6824293234.html)
2012 mid bath in Arizona
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2012-Lazy-Daze-27-MID-BATH-5006379817
2010 rear kitchen in washington
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2010-Lazy-Daze-REAR-DINETTE-5005174134
I'm a bit surprised that this rig is still available; the rear kitchen is not the most popular model, but it would seem that, if the rig is in good shape and the price can be negotiated, it would be a good deal for one of our many 'lookers'.
Yes Joan I agree. It’s been for sale for awhile now. I know pictures don’t always tell the whole story. But it looks pretty nice in the ones provided. Personally it’s my 2nd favorite floor plan. Although I’d rather have the dual couch option.
Would you spend $50k for your second favorite ? That might be a good deal, but as a former LD owner, current SOB owner looking for another LD ... I'm not interested in something that's not exactly what I want.
This LD is listed in my local Craigslist. I haven't seen this ad anywhere else, so I don't think it's getting much traffic. My husband and I looked at the LD this morning but have decided it's too long for our driveway--maybe someone out there in LD Forum Land will be interested.
The owner, Alan, bought it almost new from the original owner whose wife's illness forced the sale. Alan has had it ever since and kept it garaged. It's immaculate. The outside paint is still like-new shiny. Inside, he kept plastic runners over the carpets and blankets over the upholstery. He says everything works well. Alan said his wife died of cancer a few years ago, so he's going to let it go. Looks to me like it got minimal use all those years, mostly sat in the garage, and been well-cared for and loved. It's that mauve/pink/grey/blue color scheme with the 2 barrel seats (or whatever you call them) in the forward lounge. It's dated, IMO, but probably an excellent rig for its age. He said he's "pretty firm" on his asking price. I think the ad was posted January 15th.
Lazy Daze 1995 - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://boise.craigslist.org/rvs/d/caldwell-lazy-daze-1995/6795990406.html)
Janene
This LD is listed in my local Craigslist. I haven't seen this ad anywhere else, so I don't think it's getting much traffic. My husband and I looked at the LD this morning but have decided it's too long for our driveway--maybe someone out there in LD Forum Land will be interested.
The owner, Alan, bought it almost new from the original owner whose wife's illness forced the sale. Alan has had it ever since and kept it garaged. It's immaculate. The outside paint is still like-new shiny. Inside, he kept plastic runners over the carpets and blankets over the upholstery. He says everything works well. Alan said his wife died of cancer a few years ago, so he's going to let it go. Looks to me like it got minimal use all those years, mostly sat in the garage, and been well-cared for and loved. It's that mauve/pink/grey/blue color scheme with the 2 barrel seats (or whatever you call them) in the forward lounge. It's dated, IMO, but probably an excellent rig for its age. He said he's "pretty firm" on his asking price. I think the ad was posted January 15th.
Lazy Daze 1995 - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://boise.craigslist.org/rvs/d/caldwell-lazy-daze-1995/6795990406.html)
Janene
Appears to be a Rear Bath. It probably would get more action with some exterior and more interior photos.
Chris
i was actually very interested in the rig-but it is arizona not washington. also, they took out the sofa and put in a recliner -not sure how to put it back like it originally was.
2001 rear bath Diesel in Idaho (salvage) https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2001-Lazy-Daze-26.5-REAR-BATH-5006430932
2003 mid bath in California (dealer)
Lazy Daze 26.5 Second Owner - rvs - by dealer - vehicle automotive sale (https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/rvd/d/santa-fe-springs-lazy-daze-265-second/6827332727.html)
2003 mid bath in California (dealer)
Lazy Daze 26.5 Second Owner - rvs - by dealer - vehicle automotive sale (https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/rvd/d/santa-fe-springs-lazy-daze-265-second/6827332727.html)
That looks nice.
Funny how they advertise "low generator hours" as a good thing.
Yea tedeboy just like really low mileage being a great thing. I have a friend that flips RV’s. I have been shocked at some of the 30 year old motorhomes he has had. Some with 20000 to 30000 miles. And nothing works right or at all. And most with zero maintenance.
2002 mid bath in California
**2002 Lazy Daze 26.5 MID-BATH** - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/rvs/d/whittier-2002-lazy-daze-265-mid-bath/6829989274.html)
2002 mid bath in California
**2002 Lazy Daze 26.5 MID-BATH** - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/rvs/d/whittier-2002-lazy-daze-265-mid-bath/6829989274.html)
Regarding this "2002" unit, hard to believe, but I think the seller is mistaken on the year. I think it is a 2003 or newer unit based on the upholstery. The 2002 units were still using the soft fabric that felt like velour. We have the same interior this unit has and it wears like iron. If someone knows the owner they may want to notify them about their advt. Not saying the chassis is not a 2002, but the interior tells me a different story.
Steve K.
"I think it is a 2003 or newer unit based on the upholstery."
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As you noted, the chassis may be a 2002; the VIN would tell, as would the Ford date of manufacture sticker on the driver's side door jamb. The upholstery is the 'hard' finish, durable fabric, so this particular LD may have been one of the first rigs to get this type, i.e., on the cusp of the changeover. I am aware of at least two LDs whose chassis manufacturing dates were late 2002, but were sold as 2003 models; both have the tightly woven, high quality upholstery from Butterfield.
I've seen several newer/new LDs; IMO, none of the fabrics, including the plain 'tweedy stuff , is of the same quality as the fabrics used by Butterfield before they retired and closed the business.
As ever, YMMV.
I know the material is different than my 2002.
I know the material is different than my 2002.
It has the same material and carpeting as our 2003 FL. The front grill changed in 2003, the one shown is from a 2003 model year.
The seller is possibly confused by the manufacturing date, our 2003, E450 chassis was built on August 8, 2002.
Larry
"The front grill changed in 2003, the one shown is from a 2003 model year."
That's the same grill that was on my 2004 and the stupid cup-holder on the dog-house is the same also. ::)
“ stupid cup-holder on the dog-house is the same also”
I have the same cup holder in my 2002. I’m not a fan of it. But I understand they used these to make it easier to get your legs through the gap. I screwed a soft console bag with multiple pockets to the doghouse. Works good and doesn’t look to bad.
2001 rear bath in Arizona
2001 Lazy Daze Class C - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/rvs/d/wittmann-2001-lazy-daze-class/6832124638.html)
Only 3000 miles, North county San Diego, Ca.
2004 Lazy Daze - National Multi List,The Largest Database of Used Recreationa... (http://sellmyrv.today/listing.php?listing_id=78791)
RonB
I'd expect to have two at that price! >:(
^^^^^^ I was thinking something similar ^^^^^^
These things do hold their value, so I was wondering what that might have cost in 2004 ? How much more than the $63,000 asking price. I am sure someone on here knows !
The base price for a 2004 26.5' LD was $67,750.00. IMO, an asking price of $62,900.00 for a 15-year-old rig is far past 'optimistic'.
The extremely low mileage is not a plus; maybe there's a zero missing and the seller meant 30,000 miles, not 3,000? Even with 30,000 miles, the listed add-ons, and if the rig is a true cream puff, it's 15 years old, and apparently has been doing a LOT of sitting. IMO, a realistic price range is less than half of the asking price.
Anything is worth only what it can be sold for, so if someone is OK with that price, go for it.
As ever (and really applicable in this case), YMMV.
Whoever wrote the advt. for that 2004 sure got a lot of details wrong. Says it has ducted a/c, ducted heat, and a stainless steel sink. The photos show the white kitchen sink. I think they depreciated it from original cost by around $1 per mile too. ;D
Steve K (wondeing if I could get $60,000 for my one year older but much more popular mid-bath floorplan?)
Certainly the price is too high by more than double. My guess would be at best around $26K. It is the newer generator, not my '99 TK's Emerald II. The heat is ducted, (my 23.5 is ducted), but the roof A/C isn't ducted. But of course there are internal guided pathways for cooled and warm intake air paths that are ducts. My take on a 'ducted' roof air conditioner is pathways inside the roof to conduct air to different locations farther from the actual A/C unit.
The sink is plastic, the counter isn't Formica, the sheet vinyl flooring isn't 'Linoleum'. The cook top isn't 4 burners, just the three. The 27" TV is the original tube type, and the NTSC tuner is incompatible with the present over the air broadcasts that now require an ATSC tuner. No details are provided on the age of the tires, house or chassis battery. I'm would suppose that the lighting is original without any LED upgrades. I'll bet that the 'towing package' refers to the receiver bolted to the bumper.
Still it does have the thermal pane windows. Non problematic spark plug threads in the engine, and apparently provides a 'clean slate' for upgrades. No repairs needed for previously poorly done 'upgrade' work. I wouldn't throw away the CB radio, but it isn't exactly much of an advertising point anymore. The electric step seem to be the only upgrade. RonB
Whoever wrote the advt. for that 2004 sure got a lot of details wrong. Says it has ducted a/c, ducted heat, and a stainless steel sink. The photos show the white kitchen sink. I think they depreciated it from original cost by around $1 per mile too. ;D
Steve K (wondeing if I could get $60,000 for my one year older but much more popular mid-bath floorplan?)
And could you even fit a 23 ft awning on a 27 ft LD?
Ad for 2003 MidBath on Craigslist:
**2003 Lazy Daze * 26.5 MID-BATH** - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/rvs/d/whittier-2003-lazy-daze-265-mid-bath/6832947841.html)
RonB
Only 3000 miles, North county San Diego, Ca.
2004 Lazy Daze - National Multi List,The Largest Database of Used Recreationa... (http://sellmyrv.today/listing.php?listing_id=78791)
Be very careful when inspecting this LD, it has sat almost all of its life, who knows if it was maintained correctly or if it was stored outside or under cover. Mechanical things like to be exercised regularly, lack of use can lead to new problems, like leaking seals.
Sorry, $62,000 is what it sold for new, it isn't new any more, it's a 16 years old RV, with a low mileage chassis..
Besides checking for leaks, look at the windows, it is of the right age to have failing double-pane windows.
Figure the tires and batteries will also need replacement, as well as the hoses, serpentine belt and all the fluids..
Larry
2002 Lazy Daze 26.5 REAR BATH
Lafayette, LA 70506
$35,000
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2002-Lazy-Daze-26.5-REAR-BATH-5006925758
2007 Rear Bath in Washington
2007 Lazy Dazy 26.5 rear bath - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/rvs/d/seattle-2007-lazy-dazy-265-rear-bath/6856764337.html)
1989 Lazy Daze 24ft - $6700 (Tucson)
1989 lazy daze 24ft - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://tucson.craigslist.org/rvs/d/tucson-1989-lazy-daze-24ft/6860459481.html)
... another one around here:
1995 Lazy Daze 22 ft. Twin King ("Rear Dinette"):
1995 LAZY DAZE MOTORHOME - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://prescott.craigslist.org/rvs/d/mayer-1995-lazy-daze-motorhome/6861290708.html)
Mentioned by Klaus, on page 2;
1995 Lazy Daze 22 ft. Rear Lounge:
1995 LAZY DAZE MOTORHOME - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale
It is really a TK ( Twin King ), or may be called a 'rear dinette'. The rear lounge has barrel chairs on one side instead of the couch. Wish I had the stainless steel sink. Looks to be in excellent cosmetic condition. RonB
Wish I had the stainless steel sink.
AFAIK, none of the older LDs had stainless steel sinks.
There were none what would fit correctly, all the available SS sinks were too deep to connect to the drain.
I installed one SS sInk, in an 2001 T/K and it required a lot of plumbing modifications to get the sink to drain correctly.
One was more than enough.
I'm interested in measuring LD's new stainless steel sink, installed in the latest models, to see if it is a direct replacement.
Many older, acrylic sinks having cracking around the drains and are badly stained. A relatively easy to install, direct replacement SS sink would be great. Removing an old sink can be an exercise in patience.
If any owners of a new LD, with the stainless kitchen sink, would measure the SS sink's dimensions and post them here, it would be appreciated.
Larry
My 96 has a stainless sink.
The last picture on the '95 TK mentioned has a stainless steel sink. I knew a couple with a '96 MB, that came with a SS sink. I was surprised that my '99 came with the white plastic sink. A cost cutting measure, along with two incandescent lights in the cabover instead of the previous years' florescent fixture, cheaper 'finger hazard' latch to connect the extension table.... RonB
1993 Rear Bath in Mesa, Arizona:
1993 lazy daze 24 class c low miles - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/rvs/d/mesa-1993-lazy-daze-24-class-low-miles/6859868014.html)
Three LD's for sale around here within a couple of days. Advertised as 24 ft but I think it's a 26.5 ft. I wonder whether the blurry pictures are on purpose...
1993 Rear Bath in Mesa, Arizona:
Advertised as 24 ft but I think it's a 26.5 ft. I wonder whether the blurry pictures are on purpose...
It's 26.5' Rear Bath, built on the light weight E350 chassis, with the low 11,500-GVW, instead of the E450's 14,000+ GVW.
Real easy to overload one of these models, beware .
Larry
Advertised as 24 ft but I think it's a 26.5 ft. I wonder whether the blurry pictures are on purpose...
Pics are terrible. Text is just as bad. Sometimes I wonder if Craigslist charges for punctuation (commas, periods, etc) but I know they don't. It just makes text readable, why bother.
My 1998 31ft IB has two SS sinks....I'm sure they are original.
At 10:49 AM 4/9/2019, you wrote:
Wish I had the stainless steel sink.
AFAIK, none of the older LDs had stainless steel sinks.
There were none what would fit correctly, all the available SS sinks were too deep to connect to the drain.
I installed one SS sInk, in an 2001 T/K and it required a lot of plumbing modifications to get the sink to drain correctly.
One was more than enough.
I'm interested in measuring LD's new stainless steel sink, installed in the latest models, to see if it is a direct replacement.
Many older, acrylic sinks having cracking around the drains and are badly stained. A relatively easy to install, direct replacement SS sink would be great. Removing an old sink can be an exercise in patience.
If any owners of a new LD, with the stainless kitchen sink, would measure the SS sink's dimensions and post them here, it would be appreciated.
Larry
Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge. 2001 Jeep Cherokee toad Photo Collection: Lazy Daze
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Our 89 TK also has double stainless steel sinks - about 4-5 inches deep (measuring inside of sink, not how far it extends into the cabinet). I would guess they and the faucet are original....
It's 26.5' Rear Bath, built on the light weight E350 chassis, with the low 11,500-GVW, instead of the E450's 14,000+ GVW.
Real easy to overload one of these models, beware .
Larry
I can't imagine having only 11,500 with a mid bath. In our TK, it is easy to reach that limit and we have 4' less of coach.
My 96 has a stainless sink.
Correction, early, pre-2000 LDs did have stainless kitchen sinks, including our 1983 LD
In 1999 or 2000, LD switched to the cast acrylic sinks and have continued until now, when they switched back to stainless,
It's a big improvement for long-term usage.
Larry
I can't imagine having only 11,500 with a mid bath. In our TK, it is easy to reach that limit and we have 4' less of coach.
I would imagine many of these rigs were and are constantly overloaded, it's too much MH for a lightweight chassis, IMO
You will find its has smaller brakes, no rear sway bar and a much lighter suspension.
The only upside is, being lighter and having a different rear axle ratio (4.11 vs. 4.56), it should get slightly better mileage
Larry
2010 24' TK
2010 Lazy Daze 24' motorhome - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://greenville.craigslist.org/rvs/d/pendleton-2010-lazy-daze-24-motorhome/6860603338.html)
1989 Lazy Daze 24ft - $6700 (Tucson)
1989 lazy daze 24ft - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://tucson.craigslist.org/rvs/d/tucson-1989-lazy-daze-24ft/6860459481.html)
Now for sale with a reduced asking price ($5,400) in a new Craigslist ad:
1989 lazy daze. Class C 24ft rear bed - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/rvs/d/tucson-1989-lazy-daze-class-24ft-rear/6863846475.html)
Interesting price dynamics - there seems to be two distinct markets:
1. Fully beat & worthless that are appropriately priced for the motor-homeless segment;
2. Nicely maintained and (relatively) expensive for those looking for a quality RV. Anybody have any thoughts about potential buyers retreating away from the RoadTrek fiasco? LD begins to look even better when one considers the depth & breadth of knowledge & support.
I'm thinking if I decided to sell mine, I may shoot for the Burning Man segment. Perhaps its chief selling point is that practically every engine/chassis element is new, so it actually drives unreal.
A 2000 30’ TB in California City (near Mojave):
2000 LAZY DAZE 30' - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://santamaria.craigslist.org/rvs/d/california-city-2000-lazy-daze-30/6865708673.html)
A 1999 MB in Simi Valley:
1999 Lazy Daze 26.5 Mid Bath - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://ventura.craigslist.org/rvs/d/simi-valley-1999-lazy-daze-265-mid-bath/6846302550.html)
A 1999 MB in Simi Valley:
1999 Lazy Daze 26.5 Mid Bath - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://ventura.craigslist.org/rvs/d/simi-valley-1999-lazy-daze-265-mid-bath/6846302550.html)
This one is perfect for taking to the nearest tiki bar.
Chris
2006 mid bath in Colorado
Lazy Daze 26.5 Mid-bath - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://denver.craigslist.org/rvs/d/boulder-lazy-daze-265-mid-bath/6868319203.html)
We're not far from the mid-bath listed in Colorado - would appreciate any guidance on questions to ask, what it might actually be worth if we were to go look at it.
Thanks!
Kitty
Do check the used LD “price chart”; the link is on the home page of the forum. Even if the 2006 is in very good shape, it’s significantly overpriced.
Yes, this mid-bath seemed overpriced to my husband as well.
Where would I find the used LD price chart? Can someone point me in the right direction?
Found Greg Harvey's (HiLola) PDF file with prices compared to 2019.
Thanks so much for this - What a wonderful resource!
NADA has a base price of $22,500 for a 2006 mid-bath and at 49,800 mile this added $3825 to the value or about $27k.
By Greg's spreadsheet the mid-bath seems to be overpriced - seller is asking $52k, spreadsheet shows it should be more like $30k.
Curious if being a 50th Anniversary edition adds anything to the value?
Kit, you have to account for any additions, upgrades, etc. ..all new tires; new AGM batteries, solar, etc. but yes it seems pretty over priced..[does it have a new re-built tranny? Engine? Brakes, Front end work, paint? Re-roofed?] Does the ad show any of this? At 09:19 AM 4/21/2019, you wrote:
Found Greg Harvey's (HiLola) PDF file with prices compared to 2019.
Thanks so much for this - What a wonderful resource! NADA has a base price of $22,500 for a 2006 mid-bath and at 49,800 mile this added $3825 to the value or about $27k.
By Greg's spreadsheet the mid-bath seems to be grossly overpriced - seller is asking $52k, spreadsheet shows it should be more like $30k.
Curious if being a 50th Anniversary edition adds anything to the value? />
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Hi Kit,
I would think that the Anniversary models would be worth more, given the rarity. How much more is the question? I don’t know what the difference was when they were new but perhaps a forum member will educate us. Remember, the guide is just a starting point for consideration. This particular unit appears to be in excellent shape (pending proper inspections) and the mileage is quite low so it might be worth pursuing negotiations. Good luck!
The listing doesn't really give a lot of details, but photos do show it in excellent condition.
"2006 Lazy Daze 26.5 Mid-bath. Rare 50th Anniversary Edition. 1 of 52 made in 2006. This two owner Class C RV in is Showroom condition. powerful V-10 gas engine 49,800 actual mileage, Ford E 450 Super Duty Chassis. This RV was kept in an enclosed RV garage when not being used by the original owner for twelve years. Everything inside and out is in excellent condition. The 2019 model currently sells for $102,000.00 plus there is a 12 month wait from date of order to delivery. The RV was ordered with most available options. New Tires, Sleeps 6 people, Looks, runs, and drives like a brand new RV. Call for more details and pictures."
We're waiting to hear from the lister, but we'll definitely go take a look if we can since it's relatively close to home.
The 'Anniversary Edition' LD was offered in the 26.5' and the 30.5' models; AFAIK, the only differences between a 'regular' LD and the AE were these:
"Optional "Anniversary Edition" package offered with
stainless steel kitchen sink
Bose audio system
leatherette couches
sculptured carpet
"Anniversary Edition" exterior paint schemes: maroon/gold or blue/gold"
IMO (and YMMV), none of the above warrants elevating the asking price unless one places a particular value on those few differences. (And, the 'perks' are 13 years old.) This rig may very well be a good deal if it has truly been well-maintained; the mileage is low for a 2006, not necessarily a positive, because it suggests that the rig has done a lot of "sitting". Like *any* used rig, the condition of the body, roof, engine, all of the systems, components, appliances, and other after-market add-ons will need close inspection and evaluation.
It also appears from one of the photos that this LD has towed a vehicle; I would certainly ask what that vehicle was (weight check!), and what, if any, modifications had been done to the rig to safely tow.
I know that the ad says 'for sale by owner', but it appears that it may be on a dealer's lot?
If someone is interested in the LD, this inspection checklist details how to assess condition:
RV Inspection Checklist (http://changingears.com/rv-checklist-inspection.shtml)
There's no way to tell how good a deal this may be without a thorough inspection, but if it passes said inspection and there appears to be no imminent major cash outlay needed for repairs or replacements, my top offer would be about $20k less than the asking price.
As always, YMMV!
Thanks for the checklist - thinking we would have a professional inspection done if we decided to move forward after seeing it.
Curious how you can tell it likely towed something?
I do see it doesn't seem to have Colorado plates- wondering about the second owner, if the first had it for 12 years and where the vehicle came from.
Curious if being a 50th Anniversary edition adds anything to the value?
A little bit more, it did come with leatherette seating and a few other upgrades.
Personally, I never like the Anniversary color schemes but that may be my lack of taste. The white leatherette seating seems like an accident waiting to happen, I prefer the regular camouflaged interior fabrics that barely shows dirt or staining.
If you are a clean freak, this could be a good choice, but not for me.
Looking at the ad's photos, the Rear Lounge has two photos, one with the leatherette and one with regular fabric.
Someone has mixed in photos of other LDs with the and, seeing that it is on a sales lot, makes me suspicious that the dealer is playing games. I doubt the owner would have mixed in photos of other LDs with their own, something isn't right here..
They are asking $20,000 too much unless it is in showroom condition, still not worth $52K. That's half the price of new LD for a 13 year old RV.
Options and add-on do not add that much to the value, when reselling, no matter what the owner thinks.
Larry
Larry, the photo with the regular fabric is the dinette, I believe. The lounge area is the white leatherette.
"Curious how you can tell it likely towed something."
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Look at the photo second from the left in the ad; there is a rubber 'skirt' (to help keep rocks and road debris from hitting the front of the toad or whatever may have been carried on a rack), two hooks on either side of the hitch ('safety chain' hooks), and what appears to be two additional hitch points on either side of the primary hitch. It's not clear what was towed or carried; the two additional hitch points suggest to me that some sort of 'equipment' carrier (maybe for a motorcycle?) was on the back. The owner would have to answer these questions.
If it is in fact a dealer, he probably won’t know about what the prior owners towed, if anything.
Just a comment: I'm aware that it may sometimes seem to 'wannabe' or new owners that some forum members are pretty critical/picky in their comments and advice about for-sale LDs, but the caveats and suggestions are intended to help a buyer along the extensive learning curve to make the best decisions and avoid buying mistakes that often cost them a lot of money and a lot of regret and disillusionment! Many of people on this board have long years of experience with RVs and RVing, are very knowledgeable, skilled, and savvy about 'all things RV'; they are very willing to share what they know to help guide a 'seeker' through the process of getting the best LD 'match' for his/her needs, financial situation, use plans, and skill set. We learn from each other, including from each other's poor choices and mistakes; I am pretty sure that each us has made more than a few of those! ;)
We really are here to help, but our advice, suggestions, and answers to questions are just one part of any decision process; the rest of the learning curve, consisting mostly of having patience, doing the homework, assessing one's own needs, wants, and skills and matching these to the realities of RV ownership and the RV lifestyle, and heeding the guidance of experienced people, is up to the 'seeker'.
As ever, YMMV.
AFAIK, none of the older LDs had stainless steel sinks.
Larry
My 1991 MP has a double stainless steel sink.
Larry, the photo with the regular fabric is the dinette, I believe. The lounge area is the white leatherette.
Greg
I misspoke and didn't look at the photos closely enough.
The mix of leatherette and the regular upholstery fabrics looks a bit strange, the front cab seats are also in the leatherette.
I would want all the seat cushions covered in the same material and not to introduce another design element. YMMV
Larry
I agree, Larry. I don’t like the scheme either. Not a fan of leather, real or otherwise anyway, preferring fabric instead.
I agree, Larry. I don’t like the scheme either. Not a fan of leather, real or otherwise anyway, preferring fabric instead.
We liked the color scheme (maroon/gold) in ours but the quality of both the fabric and fake leather wasn't very good and didn't hold up to wear. We have had all that redone except the driver and passenger seats.
Jim
We have had all that redone except the driver and passenger seats.
Jim
Wondering what kind of place you used to have it re-upholstered?
Many of people on this board have long years of experience with RVs and RVing, are very knowledgeable, skilled, and savvy about 'all things RV'; they are very willing to share what they know to help guide a 'seeker' through the process ...
The wisdom and helpfulness of everyone here is one of the things selling us on Lazy Daze - super appreciate all your inputs!
Wondering what kind of place you used to have it re-upholstered?
We used a place in Yuma, AZ and had them reupholstered with microfiber fabric which is quite durable.
Jim
2002 rear bath
Best C-Class Built - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://neworleans.craigslist.org/rvs/d/lafayette-best-class-built/6862203413.html)
1999 midbath in Virginia.
99 lazy daze rv - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://tricities.craigslist.org/rvs/d/dante-99-lazy-daze-rv/6864518567.html)
2014 31' IB in Iowa
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2014-Lazy-Daze-31-ISLAND-BED-5007234257
2014 31' IB in Texas
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2014-Lazy-Daze-31-ISLAND-BED-5007012517
2000 26.5' midbath in california
2000 Lazy Daze 26.5 Mid Bath Motorhome - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive... (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/rvs/d/san-marcos-2000-lazy-daze-265-mid-bath/6872770653.html)
Almost a Lazy Daze: ;)
1979 Dodge Sportsman Lazy Daze Robinhood 23ft Class C RV - rvs - by owner -... (https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/rvs/d/artesia-1979-dodge-sportsman-lazy-daze/6843258731.html)
2007 26.5 RB in Washington https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2007-Lazy-Daze-26.5-REAR-BATH-5006998829
2002 30'er in California
2002 Lazy Daze Class C 30FT - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://sacramento.craigslist.org/rvs/d/lodi-2002-lazy-daze-class-30ft/6873813419.html)
2005 26.5 RB in Arizona
2005 LAZY DAZE 26' Rear Bath - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://mohave.craigslist.org/rvs/d/kingman-2005-lazy-daze-26-rear-bath/6872842812.html)
2001 midbath in Colorado
2001 Lazy Daze Mid-Bath RV, Class C, 26.5 Feet - rvs - by owner - vehicle... (https://westslope.craigslist.org/rvs/d/durango-2001-lazy-daze-mid-bath-rv/6871790264.html)
It doesn’t seem that the asking prices on these last three coaches are lining up very well with the recent price chart provided here. Wondering why? One of them is @ $10K over.
Yea Dale I don’t see very many that do. Unless they are trashed. And I avoided posting the ones that looked totally abused. And sense I already have a LD I personally don’t mind seeing the high prices on the used market. I believe it has a lot to do with supply and demand. So few used rigs for sale across the country and long wait times for new. I totally get people asking premium prices. And I notice most seem to sell quickly.
If the rigs are listed in the "Non-members" category, links to the ads have been found by our forum members on sources outside of this forum and posted for general interest. The rigs in question may be advertised by an owner, or by a family member or friend of the owner, or be consigned to a dealer; it's unlikely that the people who place the original ads are on this forum. There is no way for a person who is not a subscriber to the LDO forum to have access to the price chart, so they get their figures from other sources.
Rigs offered for sale by forum members may also show "optimistic" asking prices; even if a forum member knows the price chart exists and checks it for a starting asking price point, s/he may still place an unrealistic value on a rig, perhaps hoping for a buyer who is not aware of the amount of depreciation affecting RVs (yes, even LDs!), and is willing to pay what is asked. Some sellers overvalue the model and their aftermarket add-ons and some are upside down on a loan and need X number of sale dollars to pay it off. There are a lot of reasons why an owner may price his/her rig at a certain level, and, in the end, a rig (and anything else) is "worth" what it will sell for.
YMMV, as ever. ;)
We are going to check this one out today99 lazy daze rv - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://tricities.craigslist.org/rvs/d/dante-99-lazy-daze-rv/6864518567.html)
Apparently it’s a RK which I am excited to see but my wife not so much lol. I went on the Lazy Daze website and the RK doesn’t show up anymore, did they discontinue it? I looked through the changes over the years page and didn’t see any mention that it stopped production but maybe I missed it.
Apparently this is the third owner of 4 years. Has new tires, front shocks and batteries and just got back from a trip to AZ. Downsides for us are no solar panels and a torn awning. I was thinking that based on the LD price guide and addictions for tires shocks etc but subtracting the awning it should be worth more like $18.5k ( I have also seen some 26s listed in the 18-22k range). We will see.
The RK was the least popular model and was discontinued a few years ago, I think. I got to see one in person at the open house period in Morro Bay a couple years ago. I kind of liked it but DW did not so that’s that, lol!
"I went on the Lazy Daze website and the RK doesn't show up anymore, did they discontinue it? I looked through the changes over the years page and didn't see any mention that it stopped production but maybe I missed it."
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I *think* that 2016 was the last year for the Rear Kitchen model. And, no, the model discontinuation information is not in the "Changes by Year" doc.
“The RK was the least popular model and was discontinued a few years ago, I think. I got to see one in person at the open house period in Morro Bay a couple years ago. I kind of liked it but DW did not so that's that, lol!”
Yea Greg I like the RK too my 2nd favorite. But the wife not so much. My least favorite is the 26.5 island bed. But I don’t think they made many of those either.
2005 was the last model year for the Island Bed.
I agree, Lynn. Not enough utility in that model for me. Then again, DW would love the full-time bed, I’m sure!
It doesn’t seem that the asking prices on these last three coaches are lining up very well with the recent price chart provided here. Wondering why? One of them is @ $10K over. Maybe the chart should be revised upward?
It doesn’t seem that the asking prices on these last three coaches are lining up very well with the recent price chart provided here. Wondering why? One of them is @ $10K over. Maybe the chart should be revised upward?
Or maybe the asking prices should be lowered. ;) Remember, the price chart is a
guide.
Chris
Hey Duro what didn’t your wife like about the RK? I am a little worried that if we buy it we will have a hard time selling it because they were obviously the least desirable since they discontinued them.
“Hey Duro what didn't your wife like about the RK? I am a little worried that if we buy it we will have a hard time selling it because they were obviously the least desirable since they discontinued them.”
She just really loved the Midbath floor plan and didn’t want to settle for anything else.
That's funny how the wifes don't like that floor plan mine doesn't like the kitchen being in the rear also the 1999 that's advertised is asking way to much.
Jody
2004 30' IB in Washington
2004 30’ Lazy Daze IB - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/rvs/d/olympia-lazy-daze-ib/6845205666.html)
Hey Duro what didn’t your wife like about the RK? I am a little worried that if we buy it we will have a hard time selling it because they were obviously the least desirable since they discontinued them.
While RKs are rare, those who own them, love them.
I doubt selling any LD, priced right and in good condition, is gong to be hard .
Today is a seller's market.
Larry
2017 midbath in Kentucky.
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2017-Lazy-Daze-28-5007387572
There you go, those not in the West. Nice video!
Hey Greg it would look nice sitting in your driveway.
Hey Greg it would look nice sitting in your driveway.
Nope, too far away and can't do gray . . . too many years on Navy ships, lol!
“Nope, too far away and can't do gray . . . too many years on Navy ships, lol!”
The gray doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the swoops & swirls LoL. I’m a traditional paint fan.
1993 Lazy Daze in Arizona
1993 lazy daze 24 class c low miles - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/rvs/d/mesa-1993-lazy-daze-24-class-low-miles/6859868014.html)
1998 Midbath in Arizona
Lazy Daze - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://tucson.craigslist.org/rvs/d/tucson-lazy-daze/6870540112.html)
1993 Lazy Daze in Arizona
1993 lazy daze 24 class c low miles - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/rvs/d/mesa-1993-lazy-daze-24-class-low-miles/6859868014.html)
Wonder why anyone would post out of focus photos. Must not want to sell the LD very badly.
Chris
“Nope, too far away and can't do gray . . . too many years on Navy ships, lol!”
The gray doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the swoops & swirls LoL. I’m a traditional paint fan.
I agree Lynn but think I'm headed towards swoopin' and swirlin'!
There you go, those not in the West. Nice video!
That is pretty close to us, might have to take a look.
EDIT: This one is now sale pending, should have it home later this week.
1995 midbath in California
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/1995-Lazy-Daze-26.5-MID-BATH-5007240642
1994 26.5 RB in Bend Oregon.
1994 - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://bend.craigslist.org/rvs/d/bend-1994/6880107882.html)
2000 26.5 midbath in California
2000 Lazy Daze 26.5 Mid Bath Motorhome - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive... (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/rvs/d/san-marcos-2000-lazy-daze-265-mid-bath/6880047319.html)
2001 rear kitchen in Arizona
26' Lazy Daze motorhome - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/rvs/d/mesa-26-lazy-daze-motorhome/6883348401.html)
As an unofficial member of the HR Department, I'm recommending Duro (Lynn and Lori) for an annual bonus to recognize their dedication to finding all manner of LD's for sale. I would think those in the "Hunt/Search" phase of their LD adventure are especially appreciative. On behalf of the HR Department, thank you.
2013 rear bath in California
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2013-Lazy-Daze-27-REAR-BATH-5007508318
2006 rear bath in Oregon.
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2006-Lazy-Daze-26.5-REAR-BATH-5007520231
A 6 - 7 year old LD for $85,000 and "firm." Sadly, we're going to pass on this otherwise interesting LD.
Yikes! It has some nice upgrades but is making buying new look better and better!
2002 26.5' Lazy Daze Rear Kitchen in Phoenix (Mesa), AZ:
26' Lazy Daze motorhome - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/rvs/d/mesa-26-lazy-daze-motorhome/6883348401.html)
2000 24'er on east coast but looks 26.5 to me.
2000 Ford E450 Lazy Daze 24' Class C Sleeps 6 Only 38K - rvs - by dealer -... (https://nh.craigslist.org/rvd/d/west-warwick-2000-ford-e450-lazy-daze/6883285944.html)
"Allen" might want to check the accuracy of a few points in this ad. ::)
2000 24'er on east coast but looks 26.5 to me.
2000 Ford E450 Lazy Daze 24' Class C Sleeps 6 Only 38K - rvs - by dealer -... (https://nh.craigslist.org/rvd/d/west-warwick-2000-ford-e450-lazy-daze/6883285944.html)
Direct link to website with 50+ Pics ...
https://www.naragansettautosales.com/2000-Ford-E450/Used-Camper/WestWarwick-RI/12726139/Details.aspx
“Direct link to website with 50+ Pics ...”
Wow nice pictures. Looks like a bargain.
I've got a 99 MB and this interior looks just about the same. Could be a nice deal for someone!
Looking closely and intently I see many serious warts on the end caps, front and rear, along with some botched repairs. Take a look at the end caps behind the drivers door. I wonder how much other stuff could be seen under closer inspection? :o ::)
Steve beat me to it; ditto on his observations. And, no roof photos?
It's amazing how none of the ads I've seen have included roof or undercarriage photos.
So I just called Naragansett Auto Sales about the pretty blue 27MB. I asked if there is any damage to the (battery, propane?) compartments next to the driver's side end cap? He said it's 20 years old and a new one "is like $80k so there you go." I asked if he has any records from the prior owner. He said no and HUNG UP ON ME. (I wonder what's in that briefcase along with the LD user's manual??) I called him back and left a voice mail message saying I'm interested in buying an RV and will wait by the phone for him to text me photos of the roof and undercarriage.
WHAT A JERK!!! Just for the fun of it, I'd like to show up with the handy comprehensive inspection guide posted on another thread and see what he does.
2003 26.5 RB in Washington.
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/---5007587906?zmc=send2friend-YMM-link-listing-detail
I took the website and separated it into Narraganset Auto Sales with our friend google.
Seems to be a #1 recommended business on Yelp (at least that was the number of stars folks were giving it).
Makes me wonder if the pics are for the same rig as the VIN
Starry Yelp Review..... (https://www.yelp.com/biz/narragansett-auto-sales-west-warwick)
::)
I took the website and separated it into Narraganset Auto Sales with our friend google.
Seems to be a #1 recommended business on Yelp (at least that was the number of stars folks were giving it).
Makes me wonder if the pics are for the same rig as the VIN
Starry Yelp Review..... (https://www.yelp.com/biz/narragansett-auto-sales-west-warwick)
::)
That's some painful reading on their Yelp page. The good people of Narragansett would give them a "black hole" rating if they could! Too bad that semi-nice LD is trapped there.
1995 26.5 RB in California
1995 Lazy Daze rear bath 26" - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/rvs/d/lakewood-1995-lazy-daze-rear-bath-26/6887575927.html)
1998 26.5 MB in Missouri
Lazy Dayz Motorhome - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://stlouis.craigslist.org/rvs/d/fallon-lazy-dayz-motorhome/6887292307.html)
Here is an ‘82 front lounge for sale in Missouri. It’s had some extensive interior remodeling done. Check out the associated YouTube video the seller did:
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/1982-Lazy-Daze-22-22-FT.-REAR-BATH-5007624510
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KVLFCKHVEAQ&time_continue=836
Hi Lazy Daze Forum,
I'm not sure if this is permitted here or not but since it has to pass by a moderator anyway, I thought I'd ask. I have a 1995 LD for sale. I just posted it on RV Trader 2 days ago. I thought people here might like to see it too. I am willing to negotiate on price but am also trying to pay off student loans so they aren't still hanging over my head in a couple of years for retirement. It's a good solid mechanically sound RV. Here is the link, if permitted to post it here:
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/1995-Lazy-Daze-26.5-REAR-BATH-5007656700
1994 30'er in Washington
1994 Lazy Daze M30 Class C - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/rvs/d/rochester-1994-lazy-daze-m30-class/6891260448.html)
1998 26.5 RB in Washington
1998 Lazy Daze 26' Rear Bath Class C Motorhome - rvs - by owner - vehicle... (https://olympic.craigslist.org/rvs/d/hoquiam-1998-lazy-daze-26-rear-bath/6894235049.html)
Hi Lazy Daze Forum,
I'm not sure if this is permitted here or not but since it has to pass by a moderator anyway, I thought I'd ask. I have a 1995 LD for sale. I just posted it on RV Trader 2 days ago.
Please post your ad in the Classified section and use the provided template, found here.
Placing a classified ad (https://www.lazydazeowners.com/index.php?topic=28653.0)
Larry
2001 26.5 RB in Reno
2001 Lazy Daze - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://reno.craigslist.org/rvs/d/minden-2001-lazy-daze/6894492874.html)
1997 26.5 RB in California
1997 Lazy Daze Class C - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/rvs/d/corona-1997-lazy-daze-class/6897466992.html)
2002 30' IB in Wyoming
Lazy Daze 2002 30IB - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://denver.craigslist.org/rvs/d/wheatland-lazy-daze-ib/6895699344.html)
2003 23.5 TK in Wisconsin
23 1/2 LAZY DAZE Twin/king - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://wausau.craigslist.org/rvs/d/stevens-point-lazy-daze-twin-king/6892647008.html)
Unless the refrigerator was replaced, the 2003 has a 2-way refrigerator, not a 3-way.
Unless the refrigerator was replaced, the 2003 has a 2-way refrigerator, not a 3-way.
The ad also show the rig having a 460 engine and oak cabinets, none of which were available in 2003.
It's probably being sold by an unknowing dealer. Don't expect any straight information on this one.
Larry
And of course the chassis is an E(conoline)450. The engine is a 415 CID, or 6.8 liters displacement V10.
The 450 refers to the chassis type and not the size of the engine.
I've had, on at least two occasions, people ask me why I have a sticker that says V10 next to my E350 Ford insignia. I think they thought that with the E350, that I had the smaller 350 CID engine (Chevy) even though I have a Ford chassis. RonB
LAZY DAZE 22-LOADED-LOW MILES-INSPECTED-EXTRA CLEAN-RARE FIND-NO RESERVE | eBay (https://www.ebay.com/itm/LAZY-DAZE-22-LOADED-LOW-MILES-INSPECTED-EXTRA-CLEAN-RARE-FIND-NO-RESERVE-/233249377025)
1981 TK 22 footer. Enjoy it if only for the great photos and vintage LD brochures.
This looks to be in showroom condition as far as the interior goes. Located in Riverside.
That plaid!
I could scroll through these pictures all day. But the listing doesn't mention registration status, and the DMV fees lookup site can't find a matching record. :-\
And who can resist that dayglo orange paint! 😄
I liked the brochure statement: “spacious ‘lady in mind’ kitchens.” 👌
The seller did an excellent job on their ad! 👍
LAZY DAZE 22-LOADED-LOW MILES-INSPECTED-EXTRA CLEAN-RARE FIND-NO RESERVE | eBay (https://www.ebay.com/itm/LAZY-DAZE-22-LOADED-LOW-MILES-INSPECTED-EXTRA-CLEAN-RARE-FIND-NO-RESERVE-/233249377025)
States in the ad, "NOT been professionally inspected".
"Seller Notes “We recommend you inspect the vehicle first hand or have a professional inspect the vehicle prior to the listing ending."
The 'inspected' listing probably means the dealer looked at it and deemed it ready for a quick sale.
With price this low, and assuming it runs, odds are it will soon be parked in a commercial zone soon in the SoCal area, adding to the IFT population.
Larry
Is that day glo orange an original color or a previous owner repaint job?
Jane
Is that day glo orange an original color or a previous owner repaint job?
Jane
Nope, burnt orange was one of the available colors back in the early 1980's, our 1983 FL had burnt orange stripes.
We had friends who owned an 1985 burnt orange T/K that we use to camp with, parked next to each other they were quite a sight to behold.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/1186/1416455632_adf118ab44.jpg)
Larry
Larry, I like your color better. That Day Glo orange (and many of the interior colors of that LD for sale) just hurt my eyes. We are all different, that is why non neutral color schemes are best for things that can't be easily changed and individual preferences are for throw pillows and rugs, etc. that are easy to change. :D
Our previous camper had most of the same interior colors, outside was more subtle. A guy can sure get over the late 70's and early 80's color scheme in a heck of a hurry. Sure nice shape though, gonna be interesting to see what it sells for in the end.
Jon...
Larry, I like your color better. That Day Glo orange (and many of the interior colors of that LD for sale) just hurt my eyes.
The burnt orange was very bright when new, before the paint oxidized.
In the 1980's LD used acrylic paint for the stripes which didn't have the long life that the newer polyurethane paint does.
Our 1983 LD was twelve years old when we bought it and the orange stripes had alreadyfailed. With a wax job, it would look good for about a day. And if you liked the orange stripes, you would have loved the orange and brown shag carpet, the matching materials and valences. The interior was totally stock when we sold it in 2002 and nothing was worn badly, just a little darker looking , the same phenomenon that I see in all aging LDs.
Photos the week it was sold, before the arrival of the 2003.
1983 22' FL Lazy Daze | Flickr (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lwade/sets/72157623472701117/)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/6181/6052941897_841c1c797b.jpg)
Larry
But, that ‘83 had a stainless steel sink! Too bad you couldn’t have swapped that out with the acrylic sink in your ‘03 before selling the orange bomb! 😉
But, that ‘83 had a stainless steel sink! Too bad you couldn’t have swapped that out with the acrylic sink in your ‘03 before selling the orange bomb! 😉
I forgot about the stainless steel sink, sure wish we had one now.
The 1983 was an OK motorhome, it needed an engine with more power and an overdrive gear in the transmission.
Our 2003 LD, on the E450, was a huge upgrade from the Chevy G30 and its blazing 165-HP V8. The 1983 LD was a slow vehicle, I owned Volkswagens with more go power and I do not miss the carburetor one bit.
Larry
Larry, I could live with your interior. Neon bedspreads are a bit too much for me. :o But I admit I would be covering the seats and replacing window curtains.
I could live with your interior. But I admit I would be covering the seats and replacing window curtains.
The 1983's retro interior alway bought a smile to visitors, we saw no reason the cover the chairs or couch, the upholstery materials were bullet proof and cleaned up well. The photos provided show the rig when it was 19 years old with a 115,000 miles. The interior was in great shape, the chassis was wearing out and needed a full rebuild, including an engine.
I considered building a more powerful engine and adding a 4L80E overdrive transmission but when the estimated cost hit near 10K, ordering a new LD, on the E450 chassis, seemed to be a better choice...it was.
Larry
We still have our 84 itaska SOB but it has been relegated to Tool and material storage on site where we are building our Son's tiniHouse in Warrenton Oregon. We originally thought we would use it as a bunk & bath house but in January we were moved outside of our secure warehouse. The 84 with a tarp over it offered a more secure tool & materials storage and we can bunk in our 98~MB. our 84 is mostly original and we discovered that if you have a black light on at night the materials have a psychedelic pattern that shows up well under black light! Sorry if I appear to slightly alter the direction of this thread but we just Love the 80s RVs and the funk that goes with them...
Karen~Liam
98~MB
NinA
(https://www.lazydazeowners.com/MGalleryItem.php?id=4159)
Have you considered a disco ball? 😁
Has anyone been back to the 81 Lazy Daze on ebay, $ 8400.00 with 16 hours left. Should we start a pool to see if it makes it to 10,000.00.
$ 9401.00
$ 9401.00
That is too much money for a 38 year old LD, unless it is very good condition both cosmetically and mechanically.
Somehow, I doubt it.
There have been some big improvement in LDs in the years since and I see little reason to buy such an old rig unless you cannot resist the extreme retro look.
Buying mechanical parts could be a real problem and it has a carburetor, an archaic device that few mechanics know how to work on anymore, much less being able to buy the proper repair and rebuilding kit .
Hope it gets used a weekend beach rig and doesn't end up parked in a nearby commercial zone.
Larry
Larry, coming soon to a parking lot near you, lol!
Around here, it's the local Walmart. Somebody just spent a ton of money...
Jon
Somebody just spent a ton of money...
I hope whoever bought it had a chance to inspect it before buying, we have had too many disasters occur to forum members who didn't check out the condition of an antique rig before buying.
It could be cherry or a lemon .
Larry
I met a very nice couple up here in Big Bear. They recently purchased a ‘92 RB that had been gently used for much of its life and only recently used infrequently by the second owner. These fine folks are the third owners.
The exterior paint is in pristine condition, the interior is immaculate. It had an array of upgrades to the suspension as well as levelers. They count themselves very fortunate to have found the LD near their home here in So Cal.
They had been searching for a LD for years and had seen some “parking lot” fodder for sale that they were only too glad to get away from in a hurry. Not all of the LD’s out there are as gently loved or dedicatedly refurbished as those here on LDO.
Larry’s cautionary note on the EBay rig is sound advice of course and hopefully the new owners of this EBay find will do well by their purchase. For those LD wannabes still out there...check em carefully.
Kent
2007 RB for sale in Des Moines, Iowa. Incorrectly states a 6-speed transmission, I think. Toad vehicle also available:
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2007-Lazy-Daze-26.5-REAR-BATH-5008080486
Greg,
I believe the reference to the six speed is for the Toad.
Kent
Saw that Kent, but if you look down towards the bottom of the ad where it describes the E-450 chassis, it also mentions a 6-speed automatic tranny.
Does this sound right? Seems a little high? Maybe a spoof thing.
Hutch
2009 Lazy Daze 24'TBWB, Class C RV For Sale By Owner in Rochester, Washington... (https://www.rvt.com/Lazy-Daze-24TBWB-2009-Rochester-WA-ID8763438-UX325039)
Based on the "LD asking Prices - 2019 version" it quotes $37626 for a 24' LD. Owner may have a loan to pay off?
Hi Hutch. Well it is only ten years old, looks like new condition with only 30k miles. It was probably kept inside for the winter. So it might be worth that much to someone, but a bit overpriced. Not very many pictures, or comments about tire age, levelers, Banks, augmented solar, battery age, etc. IMO a bit overpriced, but not a scam. RonB
This rig may be in good condition, but it's way overpriced. As Ron said, not much real information given. And, it's a V-8, not a V-10.
It had to be a v-10. I believe that’s all that was available in that year.
"It had to be a v-10. I believe that's all that was available in that year."
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The V-8 was the standard engine for the 24' in 2009; the V-10, standard on the larger LDs, was optional on the 24'.
"It had to be a v-10. I believe that's all that was available in that year."
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The V-8 was the standard engine for the 24' in 2009; the V-10, standard on the larger LDs, was optional on the 24'.
Joan is correct ... another source of this information.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090710222519/http://www.lazydaze.com/FEATURES.PDF
The V-8 was the standard engine for the 24' in 2009; the V-10, standard on the larger LDs, was optional on the 24'.
If it is a V8, that will decrease it value even more, reducing its ability to tow. On the 24' models, theV10 was optional.
Who knows what Steve actually ordered, they all may have V10s
Not many V8s were sold, most buyers want the more powerful engine, the V10 is definitely not over powered.
Larry
Good eyes Joan. I missed that part in the Ad that it was a V-8. Definitely a poor choice by the original buyer not to get the V-10. That makes it worse than just over priced; it puts it into the 'I won't even consider it' column. RonB
I stand corrected. For some reason I was thinking 27 footer. In that case, I think this one is overpriced.
Hope the seller views this forum post.
To bad I am only 90 miles away.....other 24TK wannabes even closer.
Hutch
"Definitely a poor choice by the original buyer not to get the V-10."
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There were several threads on the "V-8 vs. V-10" topic during the time that the V-8 was the standard engine choice that LD offered on the 24'; there was a cost increase if one chose the V-10, but if I recall accurately, most of the questions from potential buyers involved mileage differences between the two engines, i.e., would one expect to get better mileage with the V-8? Again, if I remember the replies, most knowledgeable responders advised getting the V-10, citing small, if not negligible, gains in mileage and less power with the V-8.
I have no idea how many buyers of 24' LDs went with the V-8 when it was offered (2008-?; maybe someone who has a spec sheet past 2016 might post?), but all current LD models use the V-10.
According to my little bit of on-line research, the last year that the V8 was available was 2015.
Thank you, Ed. The 2014 and 2015 model year changes are not listed in the “Changes by Year” doc, so I wasn’t sure.
"Definitely a poor choice by the original buyer not to get the V-10."
Is that really true? For someone that lives in the flat lands, doesn't intend to take long trips or do much mountain driving, carrying lots of equipment\toys, or pulling a toad, to me it seems it could be perfectly okay for a 24'. Are there other drawbacks that strongly recommend against the V-8 even for that type of user?
Bill
A rare 26.5 ft. queen island bed in Danville, CA:
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2003-Lazy-Daze-26.5-5008179785
"A rare 26.5 ft. queen island bed..."
Also unique is the apparent Entertainment Center option, al a the 30/31' models. :o 8)
I just saw this 1976 LD posted
1976 LAZY DAZE EXTRA CLEAN - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/rvs/d/hemet-1976-lazy-daze-extra-clean/6919027848.html)
Now who was the guy that wanted one of every model, I wonder if he has this one/would be interested.
Jane
I just saw this 1976 LD posted
1976 LAZY DAZE EXTRA CLEAN - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/rvs/d/hemet-1976-lazy-daze-extra-clean/6919027848.html)
Now who was the guy that wanted one of every model, I wonder if he has this one/would be interested.
The guy who owns a fleet of LDs name is Dave.
Problem with this LD is that it isn't, it's a Robin Hood.
It looks similar because, I believe this correct, Ed Newton left the partnership for a while and started his own RV company, producing Robin Hoods, that's why it looks similar. It didn't work out and Ed came back to the fold.
LDs have rounded corners, all the way around, this Robin Hood doesn't
Not sure why it is call a Lazy Daze.
Larry
I suspect the seller knows the history but since most people don’t know the Robinhood name, he chooses to call it the more familiar Lazy Daze name to help it sell easier. Not exactly truth in advertising but still a rare find.
2007 RB for sale in Des Moines, Iowa. Incorrectly states a 6-speed transmission, I think. Toad vehicle also available:
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2007-Lazy-Daze-26.5-REAR-BATH-5008080486
Greg this one say Des Moines WA. My hometown. I saw it for sale on craigslist awhile back. I think it's really close to me like within a mile lol. But I have never seen it around town. And it's a small town LOL.
Greg this one say Des Moines WA. My hometown. I saw it for sale on craigslist awhile back. I think it's really close to me like within a mile lol. But I have never seen it around town. And it's a small town LOL.
My bad, Lynn!
Scam and fraud alert!
Cl ad in Lakeland Fl 2006 LD 26.5 anniversary edition...odometer not showing mileage. John at consignment rv store says it's a one owner who passed away and son put it up for consignment.
After researching and finding only one recall record I decided to do a carfax. Shows 33 records and the last mileage recorded at auction was 324,991 miles. So it was not from the owners son....was purchased at auction. Do your research folks and don't trust what people say....verify!
I was impressed that the ford engine had that many miles on it...could have been rebuilt...who knows....
Well worth the 40.00 carfax.
Speaking of Craigslist. 2000 30’ TB. Says it’s located in Tehachapi but I’ve never seen it:
2000 LAZY DAZE - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://santamaria.craigslist.org/rvs/d/tehachapi-2000-lazy-daze/6919800189.html)
Greg, that one in Tehachapi is posted in several cities, they are really pushing to sell it. But then they are asking for that price firm.
FYI - I was on RVillage (RVillage.com or their apps) and they have about 13 LDs for sale there. I didn't check if they were ones also at rv trader or any details about the RVs - just letting others know this is a source of listings.
Jane
1996 26.5 RB in Idaho
1996 Lazy Daze RV - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://boise.craigslist.org/rvs/d/caldwell-1996-lazy-daze-rv/6903421425.html)
2001 Rear Kitchen in Arizona
26' Lazy Daze motorhome - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/rvs/d/mesa-26-lazy-daze-motorhome/6918632222.html)
2007 Mid-Bath in Oregon
Motor home Lazy Daze 2007 - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/rvs/d/prineville-motor-home-lazy-daze-2007/6928040074.html)
Regarding the 2007 MB in Oregon:
Lynn, interesting that they only posted two exterior photos and none of the interior. Seems to be priced to sell so might be worth checking out for those interested in that vintage LD. Original owner is a real plus!
"I was on RVillage (RVillage.com or their apps) and they have about 13 LDs for sale there. I didn't check if they were ones also at rv trader or any details about the RVs - just letting others know this is a source of listings."
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I think that one has to be a member of RVillage to access site content.
"I was on RVillage (RVillage.com or their apps) and they have about 13 LDs for sale there. I didn't check if they were ones also at rv trader or any details about the RVs - just letting others know this is a source of listings."
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I think that one has to be a member of RVillage to access site content.
Thinking these are the same as on RV Trader since the caption/header on the RVillage For Sale page says "Powered by RV Trader".
“Lynn, interesting that they only posted two exterior photos and none of the interior. Seems to be priced to sell so might be worth checking out for those interested in that vintage LD. Original owner is a real plus!“
Greg I went to look again and it’s gone already.
1990 RB in Taft, CA:
Lazy Daze, Great Condition - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://bakersfield.craigslist.org/rvs/d/taft-lazy-daze-great-condition/6919251495.html)
Here is a 1990 MB in Ojai, CA. Several modifications made to this one:
Renovated Lazy Daze 26.5 ft. Mid-Bath - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://ventura.craigslist.org/rvs/d/oak-view-renovated-lazy-daze-265-ft-mid/6931940402.html)
Just came across this ad on e-bay. Is it just me or is there something odd about the front cap? (zoom in)
LAZY DAZE 22-LOADED-LOW MILES-CARFAX CERTIFIED-INSPECTED-EXTRA CLEAN-NO... (https://www.ebay.com/itm/LAZY-DAZE-22-LOADED-LOW-MILES-CARFAX-CERTIFIED-INSPECTED-EXTRA-CLEAN-NO-RESERVE/323858692650?hash=item4b677b7a2a:g:cW8AAOSwZSpdK7vC)
"...or is there something odd about the front cap?"
Looks to me like it has had MAJOR repair on that front cap... like a complete replacement. :o ::) :-X
Just came across this ad on e-bay. Is it just me or is there something odd about the front cap? (zoom in)
LAZY DAZE 22-LOADED-LOW MILES-CARFAX CERTIFIED-INSPECTED-EXTRA CLEAN-NO... (https://www.ebay.com/itm/LAZY-DAZE-22-LOADED-LOW-MILES-CARFAX-CERTIFIED-INSPECTED-EXTRA-CLEAN-NO-RESERVE/323858692650?hash=item4b677b7a2a:g:cW8AAOSwZSpdK7vC)
This is the same seller who had that '81 that sold for $9,400 last month. The end cap is definitely iffy.
Just came across this ad on e-bay. Is it just me or is there something odd about the front cap? (zoom in)
LAZY DAZE 22-LOADED-LOW MILES-CARFAX CERTIFIED-INSPECTED-EXTRA CLEAN-NO... (https://www.ebay.com/itm/LAZY-DAZE-22-LOADED-LOW-MILES-CARFAX-CERTIFIED-INSPECTED-EXTRA-CLEAN-NO-RESERVE/323858692650?hash=item4b677b7a2a:g:cW8AAOSwZSpdK7vC)
Great set of photos. Nice presentation. Don't think I recall seeing a green interior of this vintage before. The front cap looks to be new; probably better than the leaky old one???
Chris
Chris, I was thinking the same thing when I saw the photos- very well done! And who can resist that sculptured green carpet? 👍
Sorry, maybe it is just me, but those interior colors hurt my eyes. I am sure there are those that love them.
2018 24' TK in Oregon
2018 Lazy Daze RV 24 Twin King - rvs - by dealer - vehicle automotive sale (https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/rvd/d/gresham-2018-lazy-daze-rv-24-twin-king/6933329742.html)
2018 24' TK in Oregon
2018 Lazy Daze RV 24 Twin King - rvs - by dealer - vehicle automotive sale (https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/rvd/d/gresham-2018-lazy-daze-rv-24-twin-king/6933329742.html)
Could be a good deal for someone looking for an almost new LD. You would think the dealer could take better quality photos, tho!
Hankook tires with only 1,100 miles on the rig? Is that what LD specs from Ford when they order the chassis?
LD doesn’t spec tires on the Ford chassis, AFAIK. The current tire used on Transits and, apparently, the E-450, are Hankook.
Thanks, Joan.
BTW, this is an exceptional price for someone looking for a TK!
Any feedback on this one is appreciated. I understand that it is the last year for the E350. I would not have a toad, so not sure if I really need an E450. Price is the big thing on this one. Any insight is appreciated. Thank you!
2002 TK w/25,000 Miles (https://www.rvt.com/Lazy-Daze-235-Twin-King-2002-Alpine-CA-ID8781479-UX326473)
Hi AZ, welcome to the Forum. I have a 1999 nearly identical to this one. Mine has a blue exterior and interior. This one has fewer miles, and the paint looks better, kept under a carport. Age of the tires, batteries, roof sealing, vent covers, and air conditioner covers do matter. Hours on the generator. Still the noisier Emerald Onan. Depending on exposure the roof seams could need renovation. There don't appear to be any upgrades mentioned. Things like LED lighting. Tank monitors. LED tail lights. other things also.
This was the last year that Lazy Daze used the E350 chassis, but Ford did and still does build them. The 11,500# GVWR is ok unless you plan to 'full time'. The lack of much storage space will keep the weight down. One person good. Two OK but tight. Driving and parking good. Most prefer the E450 for weight capacity. I would too, but I haven't worn out mine yet. I'm looking to switch up to a MB maybe when that new chassis comes out. I would have to pay for storage though. The price seems a little high, but not outrageous. Only you can decide what it is worth to you. RonB
Three points of “caution”:
Keep in mind that the E350’s gvwr is 11500 pounds; the E450’s gvwr (for a 2002 and until the 450 pound uptick in later models) is 14050; this is a *2500* pound difference in capacity. Some do fine with the short rig on the much “lighter” chassis; others find the gvwr too limiting.
25000 miles on a 17-year-old rig is not necessarily a “plus”; the low mileage indicates that the rig has sat more than moved, and a sitting rig can deteriorate much faster than one which is driven.
The asking price is very optimistic; even if the rig checks out in very good shape for its age and mileage, it’s priced about $8-9k over what I would go with as a start point for “negotiation”. (And, the rig would have to be a real cream puff to get even close to the current asking price.)
This 2002 may be a great deal, but, of course, it should be thoroughly inspected, and a buyer be prepared to spend whatever is necessary for repairs, replacements, and upgrades.
Good luck with the quest.
Interesting "brand new"?
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2018-Lazy-Daze-Lazy-Daze-24-5008764908
Hutch
[Moved from Classifieds and put in this topic. Not a member-owned ad - Michelle]
It looks like a dealer has It and they didn't post any pictures or price.
That is the same one Lynn posted last week. They are asking $77K:
2018 Lazy Daze RV 24 Twin King - rvs - by dealer - vehicle automotive sale (https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/rvd/d/gresham-2018-lazy-daze-rv-24-twin-king/6933329742.html)
Well the price and wait time are certainly better than ordering one. Essentially new. Pictures would be better taken with dim outside lighting and flash inside. Would be able to tell more about what is inside. RonB
2006 rear kitchen in Oregon.
2006 Lazy Daze! 24ft rear kitchen model - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive... (https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/rvs/d/oregon-city-2006-lazy-daze-24ft-rear/6949040959.html)
2006 24' TK in California
2006 Lazy Daze 23.5 16k Miles - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/rvs/d/south-el-monte-2006-lazy-daze-k-miles/6950819941.html)
2001 26.5' RB in Arizona
2001 Lazy Daze 26' Rear Bath Motorhome - Excellent Condition - rvs - by... (https://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/rvs/d/peoria-2001-lazy-daze-26-rear-bath/6951843459.html)
We bought the 2018 Twin King in Oregon that was mentioned a few posts above. Replaces our 1987 TK. We finished unloading the old and loading the new today. It really is practically new. Doubled the mileage driving it home to Albuquerque.
Linda K congratulations on your purchase! Looks like a beautiful rig.
Linda K, you got a great deal on a basically new rig. Congrats!
2019 24.5' Lazy Daze Twin King for $100k in Surprise/Buckeye, Arizona (about 50 miles from Phoenix Airport):
2019 24.5' Lazy Daze TwinKing AMAZING!! - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive... (https://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/rvs/d/buckeye-lazy-daze-twinking-amazing/6953827847.html)
Hmmm . . . A brand new 2019 goes for $97K.
Hmmm . . . A brand new 2019 goes for $97K.
... plus extras (2nd solar panel, satellite antenna, backup camera, heated mirrors, fake leather seats, etc.), plus tax. Altogether probably around $115k.
The listing was flagged and removed another scam...……...
The listing was flagged and removed another scam...……...
That's interesting. Phone number, location, and first name of (alleged) seller were real, and the rig also had a legitimate Arizona license plate. I still have the phone number (in case someone wanted to call the guy).
The listing was flagged and removed another scam...……...
And here I was hoping it might have been something like this:
Buying a Porsche
A 17-year-old boy who works part-time at Pizza Hut drives up his parent’s driveway in a Porsche. Naturally, his parents know that there’s no way he earned enough with his after-school job to buy such a car.
“Where did you get that car?” his mom and dad screamed in shock.
“I bought it today,” replied the teen calmly
“With what money young man?” his mom demands. “We know how much a Porsche costs and you cannot afford it!”
“Well, it’s used and I got a good deal” says the boy, “This one cost me 20 dollars.”
“Who on earth would sell a car like that for 20 dollars?!”
“The woman up the street,” the boy replies. “I don’t know her name–she just moved in. She ordered a pizza and when I delivered it to her, she asked me if I wanted to buy a Porsche for 20 dollars.”
The boy’s dad and mom hurry over to their new neighbor’s house, ready to demand an explanation. Curiously, their new neighbor is calmly planting flowers in her front yard.
“I’m the father of the kid you just sold a sports car to for $20,” the dad says. “I need an explanation from you!”
“Well,” the woman says, not looking up from her garden. “This morning I got a phone call from my husband. I thought he was on a business trip in Florida, but it seems he has run off to Hawaii with his secretary and doesn’t intend to come back.”
“What on earth does that have to do with selling our son a Porsche for $20?” The boy’s mom asks, utterly perplexed.
The new neighbor smiles very big, and pauses for a minute. “Well, my husband asked me to sell his new Porsche and send him the money. So I did.”
Klaus, I get your point about the add-ons but don’t think they would add $18k in value. You would have to pay sales tax no matter what so that doesn’t figure in. Just for me, I would wait and purchase a new one instead of this one. Then I could choose the options and colors, plus I get my name on the plate by the coach entry door! 👍 YMMV.
I think you are correct on the sales tax comment Greg. Others have reported that this ad was a scam. I could imagine the scenario of a motorhome purchase with the idea of taking trips and then after a trip or two, they decide it isn't for them for whatever the reason. Nonetheless, the seller had stated that there would be no sales tax due because you are buying from the owner in Arizona. That is only a half truth. There is no sales tax paid to him, but there is sales tax due when the vehicle is re-registered in the state of Arizona.
Copy and paste the link: Sales tax on cars and vehicles in Arizona (https://www.salestaxhandbook.com/arizona/sales-tax-vehicles)
As for the value of the add-ons? Their value is based on how much the new buyer sees them as an asset or not. In most cases, the seller isn't going to recoup 100% of the cost. Recently, there was a listing of a LD 2013 Rear Bath in Orange, CA that had just about every option one could order from the factory. In addition, he had a lot of suspension add-ons put on that purportedly improve the handling, however at a high cost. Some members have done similar improvements, while others believe they are unnecessary. This 2013 was listed originally for a "Firm" price of around $77,000 with 25K miles. Most of us thought that to be quite high. The seller then lowered his price to $74,995 and marked it "reduced" before eventually marking it as sold. The listing is still up on RV Trader. I am curious if the seller got his "firm" price, and if he did, kudos to him for being able to recoup a lot of his expensive add-ons.
Gary
When a private person buys a used vehicle from another private person the buyer does not have to pay sales tax to the seller or to the DMV, at least not in Arizona. I have bought quite a few used vehicles here in Arizona and last year I bought my Lazy Daze in Washington - and I had never to pay sales tax (or use tax).
The information from the link in Gary's comment applies, of course, when a new or used vehicle is being purchased from a dealership. It does not apply to private, non-commercial transactions between private parties. This might be different in other states, although I doubt this.
By the way: I just talked to the seller of this particular 2019 24.5 Lazy Daze, and the ad was not at all a scam. The ad got probably flagged because the seller published it at the same time into four different Craigslist locations and did not know that Craigslist does not like that. I suggested to him to also advertise it here; he will probably do this soon.
In general I find it rather questionable to call someone immediately a scammer just because his Craigslist ad has been removed. There are many reasons why such ads can be flagged. I had years ago an ad of my own (not for a vehicle) flagged that I had put only into the Flagstaff Craigslist and that was completely legitimate and harmless. For whatever reason some people did not like it, and when a couple of people within a certain time flag an ad it gets automatically removed. A day later I published exactly the same ad again and it did not get removed. There are certainly ads that "smell" like scam (and I would not put a link for such an ad here), but this one clearly did not fit into this category.
For a private-party sale within California, the buyer will pay sales tax to the California Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) when registering the car. If the buyer owes use tax, it will be based upon the purchase price of the car, minus whatever sales tax paid to another state.
Charles
For a private-party sale within California, the buyer will pay sales tax to the California Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) when registering the car.
That's awful! I automatically assumed that such private-party deals would be sales-tax-free everywhere. Makes the offer of this particular Lazy Daze at least for Californians not very attractive.
For a private-party sale within California, the buyer will pay sales tax to the California Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) when registering the car. If the buyer owes use tax, it will be based upon the purchase price of the car, minus whatever sales tax paid to another state.
Charles
Same in Florida.
Jim
Same in Washington. Dealers must hate that law in AZ. Dealers here have two advantages, first you do have to pay sales (use) tax on any licensed vehicle, no matter where you buy it, but if you trade your vehicle in to a dealer, you only pay sales tax on the difference between the new price and the trade in value they give you. Needless to say, they play games with trade in values, but it rarely pays to sell it yourself if you are getting a new vehicle.
Rich- Former 2000 MB - Birch Bay, WA
I took this right off the Arizona Department of revenue Q&A web site;
Q. I purchased my vehicle from a private party. Do I owe use tax?
A. No. Casual sales between private parties are not taxable. When you register your vehicle at MVD, bring a copy of the bill of sale or any documentation that shows you purchased the vehicle from a private party.
Same in Florida.
Same in Washington.
How lucky I am in Arizona! Always good weather (OK, right now it's a little hot), no double sales tax, and in Yavapai County not even emissions testing.
By the way: Before I bought my Lazy Daze I called both DMV's in Arizona and Washington and asked them about buying a used RV from a private party, moving it across state lines, title, registration and taxes. The Arizona office told me that there would be no problem to register such a vehicle in Arizona for as long as I bring the Washington title (and maybe also the bill of sale) and that I would have to pay here in Arizona nothing but the usual vehicle registration fee and license tax. The Washington office told me that, if the vehicle would not anymore be registered to the previous owner, I would have to purchase for $30 a temporary moving permit which is valid for three days to move the (unregistered) vehicle to another state. When I said that I wanted to bring the vehicle to Arizona and was not sure that I would manage to do this within three days they told me that I could purchase two of such permits at the same time and then fill in the appropriate dates myself. There was no mentioning of sales or use tax, also not when I purchased these permits (and I needed indeed four days to come down here).
What I said would only apply if you registered it in Washington. If I bought an LD in AZ and registered it here, I would have to pay Washington sales (use) tax on the sales price I paid in AZ. Almost worth moving to AZ.
Rich
A problem with AZ is the registration and license fees are very expensive, especially for newer vehicles.
In NM where I have my vehicles registered, it's much less, $85 for the RV.
Thank you for the clarification Klaus. That's another reason CA residents are moving to states like Arizona, i.e. used car taxes! along with all the other taxes Californians pay! Another plus to buying new from the factory would be the frame and construction warranty provided to the original purchasers only. I doubt that Steve would warrant even a nearly new one like the 2018 that recently sold with very low miles or now this 2019. I am only guessing because they make their money on selling new units and the repairs of previously sold units. However, the appliances would all have their respective warranties.
Gary
I think the only thing California does not tax is Social Security benefits. Everything else in fair game. If it wasn't for family obligations and proximity, I would be moving out of state also. Thanks goodness for Prop. 13 at least!
For a private-party sale within California, the buyer will pay sales tax to the California Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) when registering the car. If the buyer owes use tax, it will be based upon the purchase price of the car, minus whatever sales tax paid to another state.
Exactly, for us Californians. And to clarify further, the sales tax varies depending on the individual county you are a resident of.
Klaus, I get your point about the add-ons but don’t think they would add $18k in value. You would have to pay sales tax no matter what so that doesn’t figure in. Just for me, I would wait and purchase a new one instead of this one. Then I could choose the options and colors, plus I get my name on the plate by the coach entry door!
After learning about the sales tax situation in other states I agree that this is not exactly a bargain for many people. However, the ad is up again and, I think, worth to be published here:
2019 24.5' Lazy Daze Twin King for $100k in Surprise/Buckeye, Arizona (about 50 miles from Phoenix Airport):
2019 24.5' Lazy Daze TwinKing - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/rvs/d/buckeye-lazy-daze-twinking/6954496385.html).
Regarding the name plate I'm wondering whether it could be ordered separately from Lazy Daze - I would not mind to have my name (or some nice generic term) at the door of my RV. I will ask for that whenever I anyway need something from them.
Klaus
I can confirm that they do sell you a new inscribed nameplate with whatever name you choose. I ordered one for my 2007 in 2011 when I purchased "RU LAZY" from the Stevens family.
Gary
How are the nameplates attached?
"I'm wondering whether it could be ordered separately..."
Most folks have their family name engraved. I used "Lazy Bones" which I specified during the ordering process. It came, neatly riveted to the sidewall near the left side of the coach door. I have heard of folks ordering one after market or when buying used. ;)
Our name plate says the rig was made for the Good Times. We thought that was a great idea.
Our name plate says the rig was made for the Good Times. We thought that was a great idea.
My idea is to have the "Lazy Days Ahead" on that plate.
AZ does get you on other taxes, even though we don't pay private sales vehicle tax.
High property taxes (I was surprised it was at the level I paid in CA back when), tax on rentals (e.g. you pay rent for the house/apartment and pay taxes for that also, only state I heard that did that). They got hit hard in this state during the 2007/2008 economy problems and I think they just started taxing everything to make up for the extreme losses on property taxes.
Jota, you pay much less for registration. We would pay that much for a car worth about $10,000 or less (based on what we have paid on our cars). They want that bill of sale as they figure out the registration fee for that and then lower it a set % each year.
Jane
2004 30' IB in Washington
2004 Lazy Daze 301B - rvs - by dealer - vehicle automotive sale (https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/rvd/d/auburn-2004-lazy-daze-301b/6945650217.html)
I think I know who the owner of this one is:
1991 Lazy Daze Multi Plan RV 22' - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/rvs/d/berkeley-1991-lazy-daze-multi-plan-rv-22/6954483962.html)
She sure did a nice job of cleaning it up...
Jon
2010 Front Dinette in Corona, CA:
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2010-Lazy-Daze-24-FRONT-DINETTE-5009047903
A 2005 RB with low miles in Kingman, AZ. Rare entertainment center in lieu of cabover bed:
2005 LAZY DAZE RB - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://mohave.craigslist.org/rvs/d/kingman-2005-lazy-daze-rb/6954143990.html)
1999 in Oregon
1999 22' Lazy Daze E350 class C excellent condition low miles - rvs - by... (https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/rvs/d/clackamas-lazy-daze-e350-class/6960606003.html)
2001 26.5 RB in Arizona
2001 Lazy Daze 26' Rear Bath Motorhome - Excellent Condition - rvs - by... (https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/rvs/d/peoria-2001-lazy-daze-26-rear-bath/6956517656.html)
2004 26.5 MB in Arizona
2004 Lazy Daze motorhome - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://prescott.craigslist.org/rvs/d/prescott-2004-lazy-daze-motorhome/6960081781.html)
Just talked to this gentleman up in Volcano, CA about an hour east of Sacramento, it's a V-8 diesel. Original owner.
2004 lazy daze - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://sacramento.craigslist.org/rvs/d/2004-lazy-daze/6965461846.html)
Just talked to this gentleman up in Volcano, CA about an hour east of Sacramento, it's a V-8 diesel. Original owner.
2004 lazy daze - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://sacramento.craigslist.org/rvs/d/2004-lazy-daze/6965461846.html)
Diesel, that's too bad, he wants a lot of money for it too.
Larry
"he wants a lot of money for it too."
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It would be very interesting to find out the actual selling figures of some of the LDs which are offered at optimistic prices. Even without knowing anything about its condition, this one is about $20k over what is realistic, IMO, but maybe someone will bite.
"he wants a lot of money for it too."
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It would be very interesting to find out the actual selling figures of some of the LDs which are offered at optimistic prices. Even without knowing anything about its condition, this one is about $20k over what is realistic, IMO, but maybe someone will bite.
You mean that diesel engine ain't worth $20K? ;)
The 2010 Front Dinette in Corona, CA has been significantly reduced in price to something reasonable.
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2010-Lazy-Daze-24-FRONT-DINETTE-5009047903
Ummm, Nancy, might it be waiting for you? ;)
A rare 26.5 ft. queen island bed in Danville, CA:
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2003-Lazy-Daze-26.5-5008179785
I have scheduled a "viewing" of this RV. Although I can do a cursory inspection myself, a full suggestion (based on information found on this site and elsewhere) is probably beyond my skills. This site Professional RV Inspections - NRVIA Certified RV Inspector (http://www.prorvi.com/) offers professional inspections. Does anyone have experience or suggestions for using this (or another) such service?
Any other suggestions regarding inspection or this vehicle in particular?
Many thanks! Bernhard
P.S. Last week we visited the factory and were told they had a wait list and the expected time to get a new LD is currently approximately 1.5 years.
"...we visited the factory and were told they had a wait list and the expected time to get a new LD is currently approximately 1.5 years."
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An 18-month wait time for delivery has been in effect for a while now; the extremely long lead time is quite often the reason that after people get on the list to get on the list, they drop out as the months drag on. ;) A lot of life changes can come up in a year and a half!
If you've read through checklists on how to inspect a used RV, but don't feel confident in doing a comprehensive exam of the rig on your own, then a professional inspector might offer a good option. I don't have any experience with inspection services, but I know that it's not inexpensive; I'd make sure that you understand exactly what the inspection does and/or doesn't include, i.e., just the coach/body, appliances, generator, and function of plumbing, etc., and/or also the engine, drivetrain, tires, and all systems?
It's a given (IMO) that even if this LD checks out OK (and all maintenance has been done per service schedules), you will still have post-purchase expenses to repair, replace, and/or upgrade; many new buyers minimize (or overlook) the fact that the initial buy cost is just the beginning. ;)
Please post what you decide, and your experiences if you use a professional inspector. Good luck to you.
Bernhardt, at 97,000 miles, this is what I consider a higher mileage vehicle (although not bad for it’s age, averaging about 6k per year).
I would ask about how it’s been driven, such as has it sat for long periods of time or has it been towing a car? For sure do a mechanical inspection, in addition to a coach inspection.
Good luck!
“ but I know that it's not inexpensive; I'd make sure that you understand exactly what the inspection does and/or doesn't include, i.e., just the coach/body, appliances, generator, and function of plumbing, etc., and/or also the engine, drivetrain, tires, and all systems?”
I used a service such as this to inspect our Pleasureway candidate in Virginia.
Lemon Squad - Nationwide Used Car Inspections (https://lemonsquad.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIkMmx25um5AIVF8pkCh1i4QqDEAAYASAAEgJMhfD_BwE)
It was entirely satisfactory and a huge report and at least a hundred photos were sent to me promptly. There were no unpleasant surprises.
From their website, the only concern that I see is that the inspector looks for water leaks inside the rig, but does not get on the roof. JMHO, and I understand the liability issue, but a thorough roof inspection does require getting onto the roof of the rig. Maybe the prospective buyer could do this him/herself if the seller agreed? YMMV, of course.
It's a given (IMO) that even if this LD checks out OK (and all maintenance has been done per service schedules), you will still have post-purchase expenses to repair, replace, and/or upgrade; many new buyers minimize (or overlook) the fact that the initial buy cost is just the beginning. ;)
What should I expect? A few items I know already ...
- Tires are 4 years old ... I'd expect to replace in a couple of years or so
- Batteries are 8 years old ... also near the end of their useful life
- Switch to LED lighting
- Roof was last resealed 8 years ago, may needs sealing again?
We recently rented a 2015 Thor Chateau on an E350 chassis with 130'000 miles. Drove like a charm - though the rest of the coach was falling apart. I'll be sure to have at least a mechanic check out the mechanicals (if we like the LD, not the Thor!), but several people told me that E450's ran reliably to 200'000+ miles. That said, we mostly go off the track ("boondocking") and depend on reliability.
Should I wait for a lower mileage / younger opportunity? I had hopes for https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2003-Lazy-Daze-23.5-TWIN-KING-5009245148 - same age but lower mileage-, but despite contacting last Friday, the day the ad went up, I didn't get a response and now it's sold. The one that was reduced to $40k also went very quickly. Fortunately I'm not in a hurry.
Thanks for all the advice received, I will put it to use and will report back. And may have many more questions if I do get an LD.
8-year-old coach batteries are on borrowed time, IMO, and depending on how the tires have been maintained, i.e., inflated correctly for the rig's weight (and not overloaded), and kept covered when the rig is sitting, even 4-year-old tires can need replacement. You may be aware that in the case of RV tires, the tread may show little or no wear, but the sidewalls may be cracked, weathered, scuffed, etc. ; check the sidewall condition very carefully. Also, how and by whom was the roof re-sealed? Were the correct materials for an aluminum roof used? Is the roof Eternabonded?
So much depends on how this rig (or any rig) was maintained over its lifetime, how it was driven, and if it towed. Your might want to check the baseline (and there are a lot more that are not listed) for Ford-recommended maintenance services; plug in the year, model, engine, and conditions under which the rig was driven.
Maintenance Schedules | fleet.ford.com (https://www.fleet.ford.com/partsandservice/maintenance-schedules/)
Additionally, this is a 2003; depending on the date of engine manufacture, the rig may have 4-thread (instead of 8) plug wells (and/or inadequately-torqued plugs). I have a 2003; the engine manufacture date on mine is May 27, 2003, and its plug wells are 8-thread. Engines manufactured earlier than that date may have 8-thread plugs, but, in any case, a rig with 97,000 miles on it is due for a plug (and coil) change anyway!
Ummm, Nancy, might it be waiting for you? ;)
Haha. It sold quickly after the $15K drop in price. I did look at it, but passed.
Someone here buy it?
Is the roof Eternabonded?
Don't know but it looks clean - smooth white surface, no exposed screw heads or cracks. At least as far as I could see.
Two items caught my attention:
- An about hand-sized section below the passenger side rear side windows is wavy, raising the possibility of water intrusion. It's smack in the middle of the window frame, not the place I would I'd most expect a window leak. Could not see any signs of leak around or below the window. Any suggestions for investigating this? Without breaking down the wall ...
- End-caps show gaps (back) and cracks (front). Owner told me that factory did not want to do anything about it, and that assessment also agrees with a post on this forum: End caps (https://www.lazydazeowners.com/index.php?topic=30267). So maybe nothing to worry about.
Now it's time for a "professional inspection" by one of these services mentioned earlier in the thread.
Maintenance Schedules | fleet.ford.com (https://www.fleet.ford.com/partsandservice/maintenance-schedules/)
Thanks for this link. Looks like the spark plugs are soon due. Next really major milestone seems 150k, and then no more service??? Am I missing something or does Ford suggest that 150k is end of life? Seems that some people at least get much higher mileage out of this chassis.
ttmetro (Bernhard?)
Rearding the "2003" Lazy Daze Island Bed you are considering; there are some things about that rig that ,in my opinion, deserve further investigation. I own a 2003 LD midbath and know that model year quite well.
If you have read the Lazy Daze Pocket Guide (there is a link to it on the group homepage) and looked at the model changes through the years, you may think all 2003 Lazy Daze have the changes listed. From the photos of that unit, I don't think it is a genuine 2003. I base that primarily on the photo of the hood which shows a Ford emblem on the hood and the upholstery photos which looks like the velvety texture of the velour fabrics in use prior to the 2003 model year. 2003's have a totally different kind of upholstery, more like a tightly woven fabric instead of velour.
So what is this unit? I * think* it is probably a floor model 2002 unit that the Lazy Daze folks sold at a slight discount and then they titled it (as they were allowed to do) as a 2003 when it was sold. I would bet that if you look at the Ford label on the driver's door that the Ford chassis is a 2002 model year (and would certainly have the sometimes problematic spark plugs too)
If I am correct, this unit would not have the thermopane windows. That could be good or bad depending on your point of view. The thermopane windows, which debuted on 2003, have often had "fogged" windows.
One other item of note; that floorplan was not a popular one. I hope you have looked at some other Lazy Dazes before you jump to the conclusion that just because it is a Lazy Daze you want it. IF it works for you fine. But do some additional research and KNOW what you are getting.
Good luck,
Steve K
The grill shape indicates that the chassis is a 2002.
The grill shape indicates that the chassis is a 2002.
The grill shape indicates that the chassis is a 2002.
I think Steve is right. The cupholders are the same skimpy ones I have in my '02 and I have the emblem on the hood. However, my blue upholstery is not the same design as the blue up. in this IB. The grill is the same as my '02. AFIC, I'm pleased I did not have the new windows in my '02 because of the fogging problems from '03 on. Yesterday I was looking at photos of an '02 RK which had this IB upholstery but the larger cupholder console. For certain LD makes changes/upgrades as they build new ones.
Chris
2005 26.5 RB in Oregon
2005 Lazy Daze 26RB Class C Motorhome / 26' - rvs - by dealer - vehicle... (https://medford.craigslist.org/rvd/d/grants-pass-2005-lazy-daze-26rb-class/6963208688.html)
2006 TK in El Monte, Ca:
2006 Lazy Daze 23.5 16k Miles - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/rvs/d/south-el-monte-2006-lazy-daze-k-miles/6970743806.html)
2005 RB in Grants Pass, Or:
2005 Lazy Daze 26RB Class C Motorhome / 26' - rvs - by dealer - vehicle... (https://medford.craigslist.org/rvd/d/grants-pass-2005-lazy-daze-26rb-class/6963208688.html)
2004 Shorty on RVTrader
81,000 miles, $22,950
Powell, OH
We're waiting to get a midbath so this one's not for us, but saw a pretty new Twin/King on RV Trader this morning
2015 Twin King in Oklahoma for $72,500, 38,770 miles
Ad was posted Sep 14th
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2015-Lazy-Daze-24-TWIN-KING-BED-5009533526
This Wednesday I will do a thorough inspection of the 2002 26.5ft LD (yes, it's 2002, not 2003). A professional inspector will do most of the evaluation (I hope), but I also want to be sure he puts appropriate emphasis on potential issues.
Endcaps are a particular concern. I remember the sealant looks pretty bad and the seller tells me LD did not feel the need to do something about it (not sure what the exact communication was). The front driver side endcap has a crack that goes almost completely across.
Question: how do I best evaluate potential rot due to water intrusion around the endcaps?
In particular this thread gets me concerned:
An inspection would have found some slightly soft wood right behind the bumper, in reality everything else was completely solid.
I have one of these endoscope cameras - any ideas if / how it possibly could be used to check for rot in "hidden" spots? E.g. is the encap open from the bottom so the camera can possibly be pushed up into the corner space behind the endcap?
Thanks for all advice, I am better understand the potential perils of an almost 20 years old LD. My wife likes it, but she does not read this forum ...
Cor2man's mention of behind the bumper is actually in front of the rear bumper. The wood there starts out treated, but sand blasting and small rocks erode the coating. I also had some pretty much just bare (at 18 years or so) wood as part of the mud flaps on the duals. On that I replaced the wood with some treated lumber. Soaked in Terminate, and coated with black spray on undercoating. Some type of asphalt from the smell of it. Under the coach in back by the bumper I sprayed another can full of that undercoating on everything that looked like wood. I scraped off any loose stuff first. Then hosed it off and let it dry. The good thing is you can lay on your back. I try to avoid the split loom wiring in case I need to get into that at a later date. Also some tape on the painted part of the bumper will prevent overspray from curling up under and getting on the 'good' side of the bumper. A pain to clean off. Even messier on yourself. I used a sheet of cardboard to protect the driveway from drips.
There is a small space at the rounded part of the end caps. You might get an endoscope in there but the one I have wouldn't be able to see much sideways. A wide angle lens just isn't good enough, and there isn't enough room to tilt the lens to see. The few times I've seen the wood under an edge cap, it was very well coated, so just a cosmetic issue. Older than 20 years I have heard that there was an opportunity for some rot, but you should ask Larry Wade. RonB
Soaked in Terminate, and coated with black spray on undercoating. ...
Good suggestion! I will look behind / under the bumper for signs of rot or degradation. If I understand correctly that does not necessarily point to anything wrong with the structure, as that part presumably gets soaked regularly when driving in the rain.
Older than 20 years I have heard that there was an opportunity for some rot, but you should ask Larry Wade.
Put differently:
how does one find out about rot (and leaks)? The more I read on this forum I gather that once the problem is obvious, it's too late (unless your name is Cor2man). I look forward for suggestions from Larry (and others).
Saw this listing on RV Trader:
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2005-Lazy-Daze-23.5-TWIN-KING-5009649158
Anyone know what the white molding is for (just aft of the cab door)?
Saw this listing on RV Trader:
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2005-Lazy-Daze-23.5-TWIN-KING-5009649158
Anyone know what the white molding is for (just aft of the cab door)?
Perhaps replacement of (failed) stock molding? And they haven’t bothered to paint?
Good suggestion! I will look behind / under the bumper for signs of rot or degradation. If I understand correctly that does not necessarily point to anything wrong with the structure, as that part presumably gets soaked regularly when driving in the rain.
Put differently: how does one find out about rot (and leaks)? The more I read on this forum I gather that once the problem is obvious, it's too late (unless your name is Cor2man). I look forward for suggestions from Larry (and others).
Take an ice pick and something to lay on (cardboard). The bottom of the rear wall, pointed out by Ron, is good place to see if there is widespread damage in the rear wall. Check all the way across the rear wall, rot in the corners is a sign of leaking end caps. Rot in the middle can be from a leaking rear window or poorly sealed spare tire bucket. Rot all the way across is very bad news.
From the interior, poke around the bottom corners of the window and in the corners, where the rear and side walls meet.
An endoscope is of very limited usefulness when it come to rot detection, you can't get the scope into the the places where rot could be seen. I have an endoscope and never use it for rot detection.
An ice pick is your best tool, when it hits rotted wood, you will instantly know it.
Larry
2000 30' TK on Craigslist (Walnut Creek, CA)
2000 LAZY DAZE - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/rvs/d/walnut-creek-2000-lazy-daze/6983735268.html)
From the description:
$400 SPARK PLUG MODIFICATION AS RECOMMENDED IN 2016
Anybody knows what this is? I've read about "preventive" work on the plugs (Very High Reliability Vehicles (http://www.blownoutsparkplug.com/highreliability.htm)) but at much higher cost.
Bernhard
2000 30' TK on Craigslist (Walnut Creek, CA)
2000 LAZY DAZE - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/rvs/d/walnut-creek-2000-lazy-daze/6983735268.html)
From the description:
$400 SPARK PLUG MODIFICATION AS RECOMMENDED IN 2016
The rig probably had its spark plugs changed, torqued to the revised higher 28-ft/lbs.
2003 and older V10s only had 4 threads securing the spark plugs, blown out spark plugs is a fairly common occurrence in these rigs.
Ford originally had a low spark plug torque specification for these rigs, later updated to the high torque spec.
Larry
2000 30' TK on Craigslist (Walnut Creek, CA)
2000 LAZY DAZE - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/rvs/d/walnut-creek-2000-lazy-daze/6983735268.html)
From the description:
$400 SPARK PLUG MODIFICATION AS RECOMMENDED IN 2016
Anybody knows what this is? I've read about "preventive" work on the plugs (Very High Reliability Vehicles (http://www.blownoutsparkplug.com/highreliability.htm)) but at much higher cost.
Bernhard
I would be cautious with this one. It’s the same ad I’ve seen that says it’s located in Tehachapi and other areas:
2000 LAZY DAZE - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://santabarbara.craigslist.org/rvs/d/tehachapi-2000-lazy-daze/6969781346.html)
2019 TK in Arizona:
2019 Lazy Daze 24.5 TK - rvs - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (https://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/rvs/d/buckeye-2019-lazy-daze-245-tk/6984728493.html)
Below a few pictures of the LD (a 2002 26.5' IB) I am checking out.
- The end and front caps are all in rather poor shape. A lot of delamination and cracks where screws had been used. The seller is not sure who put in those screws, but thinks it was likely LD when he brought it in (apparently a few times). They are painted in exactly the correct tone - as if they were put in when it was constructed. Any idea why the paint is blistered in some spots?
I assume that this can be repaired with sufficient cleaning (the owner tried to seal a few spots with something he thinks was a silicone sealant - not sure what I will be able to do about that) and an impressive amount of 3M 5200? I doubt it's possible to get them off without breaking along the numerous cracks. Also, the screws have to be removed. - I did not see any water intrusion in the back wall of the coach. The coating behind the bumper looks still pretty good and the wood is firm. I also could not detect problems in the compartment, although the back wall is not directly visible as even in the storage bay LD uses paneling. Quality!
- The interior paneling below the passenger side bedroom window is wavy and the nails to hold the panel are slightly rusted. The wall (inside and out) is firm. Presumably the water gets in somewhere through or around the window. Can this likely be repaired by cleaning and reseating the seals and sealing around the window, or is this typically a bigger task?
- The roof was resealed ~ 8 years ago by a former LD employee (Tim Pierce?). The rubbery material is still flexible but a few screws are starting to show. Presumably needs to be cleaned and covered with Eternabond after covering the exposed screw heads with 3M 5200?
- The tires were replaced 1/2016 (manufacturing date mid 2015). Brand is TOYO LT225/75R16 115 S and the cost per tire was only $125! Does anybody know this brand? Can they be trusted?
An inspector was checking out the rig today, and I'll report on that experience when I get the report. In the meantime I appreciate feedback on the issues raised above, especially the level of work required to address them and possibly how this reasonably should affect the price of the vehicle.
Bernhard
It does not look like a well loved LD. The lifted caps and blistering paint are a giveaway.
The first two photos show water intrusion. Lifted and/or poorly resealed end caps are a major source of leaks and the cause of rot. End caps are often screwed down when built if a cap isn't laying flat. I use a lot of stainless-steel screws, when sealing caps, to pull the caps back into position, after cleaning, taping and application of 5200 FC. The screws remain afterwards, they are well sealed in place.
A lot of damage can be hidden where it is very difficult to examine. Rusted interior nails is a sure sign of moisture problems.
I have seen many cases where the paneling is slightly damaged and the framing beneath is destroyed, especially around windows.
The sealant used on the exterior of the window frames shrinks with age and will eventually develop leaks if not periodically resealed, this is the other common source of water damage.
If silicone had been used to seal anything, it will be very difficult to reseal, once a surface has been exposed to silicone RTV, the surface is poisoned, nothing will stick to it again without sanding down to bare metal.
See what the inspector says.
Larry
ttmetro
I'm going to be brutally frank... run, do not walk, but run away from this one. :o There will be others! ::)
ttmetro
I'm going to be brutally frank... run, do not walk, but run away from this one. :o There will be others! ::)
You might use the radiator cap replacement procedure on that one. Undo the radiator cap and roll another LD under it.
See what the inspector says.
Larry
The inspection was done by an NRVIA level 1 inspector. It was very detailed and took several hours (I was present from the start but left after 4 hours before the inspection was complete).
Note: when I told the seller about my intention to hire a professional inspector he opted to do this himself and he also paid for the inspection. I do not believe that this affected the result of the report.
The report is a 13 page table of topics with handwritten results of the inspection. It is rather terse, often just listing items (down to details like serial numbers) and condition (acceptable/fair/poor). There is no overall assessment or summary. Also 179 jpeg pictures, labeled numerically and referred to in the report but unfortunately not by this number (I actually can't access them because of a google docs permission issue, so possibly they contain a caption with more information). No driving test.
The report starts with the exterior: "Roof is Aluminum and not glued to the sub roof". It further states that the caulk shows signs of wear and does the same for the vents. Few more details like shower sky light shows cracked edges. Another comment: "water seems to puddle at the rear of a/c unit".
In the sidewall section the report states "paint is fair, decals are aging, caulk is worn). It also notes a dent in the rear bumper. No mention about front or endcaps or blistered paint.
On the interior the report is similarly detailed and identifies an electrical problem "GFCI keeps tripping". The inspector tested all appliances. In the section about walls it finds no issues: "Gen con of Walls: Acceptable, Water Damaged Wall Panels: No".
My take:For me, this report is of limited value. Testing all appliances, light fixtures, etc is laborious, and I think on this part the report is thorough and reliable (even checking the temperature of the coffee heated in the microwave).
However, the report failed to note any water intrusion. At least the wavy wall panel below the rear side window is obvious and should have been noted, as well as the two nails with rust stains. Same for the cracked endcaps. The blistered paint - I'd expect a licensed inspector to be familiar with this and note it appropriately in the report (I learned about it on this site).
I'm not sure I will use such a service again. Perhaps for a pre-screening of an RV far from my home.
I agree with others that this 26.5' IB has issues. Lots of deferred maintenance on the endcaps, window and roof seals. And possible water damage to the structure.
It is too bad, because both my wife and I liked the layout and think it would be a good fit for our needs. The interior is extremely well taken care of and looks no different from the new LDs we inspected at the factory. The owners took very good care, but maintenance of seals etc is not their thing and I don't blame them for that (I feel I have to defend them from the "love" comment). Unfortunately this means the RV lasts for only 15 years or so and then needs replacement.
My wife and I learned a lot about RVs, including the challenges of attaching ABS encaps to an aluminum exterior structure.
This site is terrific. If an LD is in our future we will continue to make lots of use of it. Many thanks to all!
No driving test.
I was surprised to read this as the chassis needs to be checked out well (as well as the generator) - this person/company may/may not have stated they don't do that at the time of hiring.
I have had a fair amount of house inspections done and the inspectors - even from the same company - can be extremely knowledgeable (truly understanding systems and potential problems) or of no value at all (not even writing down condition or appliance information, let alone understanding potential problems).
I have learned to pick good inspectors but I personally interview them before hiring them.
Maybe 5% are really good and understand the systems, water issues, etc. well enough to be able to warn of potential problems and letting you know to get a specialist inspection for a specific area.
I have had ones walk in and have no clue what to look at and also ones like yours that just plain make a list of what they can see. It took stumbling upon a very good one and a very bad one to learn how to pick ones that are very good and importance of that.
It sounds like this person just wrote down observations without being able to list potential issues and maybe was more familiar with houses than RVs (so they didn't look for water intrusion areas though that is important in houses also).
For a first look at something not close to you sometimes you can find a LD owner close by that will go take a look (ask on the forum).
Jane
Chris H., looks like we need a new page for 2020!
2013 MB in Sandy Eggo:
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2013-Lazy-Daze-27-MID-BATH-5010749397