My wife and I are researching our first motor home, upgrading from a toy hauler. We are fortunate that we live 20 miles from the LD factory. We have seen the 27' footers at the factory, we are waiting to see if LD can/will still build a new 31' Island Bed (waiting to hear back from them).
Are there any 31' owners out their that could provide some feedback on their experience with their rig; handling, any vibrations (I know they have to extend the chassis)?
I know LD keeps things simple/basic when it comes to design, Any feedback on only having a manual awning, it seems like all other manufacturers have gone to automatic awnings. I guess its one less thing to break.
No black tank flush, has this been an issue for anyone?
I really like what I see in the LD, just want to make sure it's the right rig; this is a major purchase and I don't want to make an expensive mistake. I also love what I'm seeing as it relates to the LD community, it looks like an awesome and loyal group of people. I truly appreciate any advice or guidance you can provide.
Fiamma offers an remote power unit for their awnings, if you need it,
Adding flushers to the holding tanks isn't a big deal. A DIY for some or a fairly simple job for a RV shop.
Holding tank flusher | Flickr (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lwade/sets/72157602104741465/)
Yes, LD does like to keep it simple.
Happy hunting.
Larry
Our last rig had an electric awning. It was very nice, I liked it a lot. The downside, in my opinion, it was very flimsy. Any breeze was a cause for concern. The lack of support poles seems to be the reason for this. But it sure was sweet to roll it out a couple of feet from the inside when it Elias raining to protect the step.
On the LD's Fiamma awning there is some good bracing, but it requires some effort to deploy and retract. I don't mind though, I prefer it.
Neither one is a slam dunk superior awning in my view. YMMV.
My wife and I are researching our first motor home, upgrading from a toy hauler. We are fortunate that we live 20 miles from the LD factory. We have seen the 27' footers at the factory, we are waiting to see if LD can/will still build a new 31' Island Bed (waiting to hear back from them).
Are there any 31' owners out their that could provide some feedback on their experience with their rig; handling, any vibrations (I know they have to extend the chassis)?
I know LD keeps things simple/basic when it comes to design, Any feedback on only having a manual awning, it seems like all other manufacturers have gone to automatic awnings. I guess its one less thing to break.
No black tank flush, has this been an issue for anyone?
I really like what I see in the LD, just want to make sure it's the right rig; this is a major purchase and I don't want to make an expensive mistake. I also love what I'm seeing as it relates to the LD community, it looks like an awesome and loyal group of people. I truly appreciate any advice or guidance you can provide.
We have 78,000 miles on our '02 31' and there never have been any handling or vibration issues. Sure, wind and big trucks will push it around a bit, but when you are driving a bread truck, one can expect it. Never needed built-in flushing device. I use a Hydroflush Amazon.com: Valterra F02-4100 45 Degree Hydroflush With Removable Anti-siphon... (https://www.amazon.com/Valterra-F02-4100-Hydroflush-Removable-Anti-siphon/dp/B0002UHVAA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1475622925&sr=8-1&keywords=valterra%2Brv%2Bhydroflush&th=1) now and then and always rinse the black tank when emptying with a full toilet bowl or two of water. And yes, the awning is flimsy but it works and cranking it up and down takes only seconds.
Chris
Well, let me chime in here along with Chris... I drive a 2004 30' IB and love it.
Right from day minus zero I knew that I did NOT want the el-cheapo box awning that L.D. installs as OEM. I'd heard too many horror stories about them.
I asked Steve to delete their awning because I wanted to install (after market) an manual A&E (Dometic). Steve asked me how long the new awning would be and I told him 20'. He said he would 'block' (reinforce) the mounting points, and he did. I have been and am now using the 20' A&E and find it to be reliable and easy to deploy. It spans almost the entire coach, from just behind the passenger door all the way to aft of the rear window.
In retrospect I should have asked L.D. to block the mid point so that I could have had a 'saddle' installed to help with sag. However, having said that, I have not had any problem with sagging in the middle of the span.
I have to keep a weather eye open because that large amount of cloth makes for a very fine sail. ;) :)
Thank you all for your responses and input, I appreciate it. Now I just have to hope they can/will still build a 31' island bed. The sales rep I talked to at Lazy Daze seemed reluctant to want to build one.
Dan
"The sales rep I talked to at Lazy Daze..."
Sales rep?? Really, a Sales rep., hmm are they changing their business structure???? Just exactly who was this mythical person? :o
I talked to factory today about a 31foot Island bed. They upgraded to a six speed transmission so they have to re-engineer the chassis because the WB is extended to 211 inches. It will take about three months. They have no orders for the 31 footer so they have not yet started the engineering. Some other company does the engineering. I was very impressed with the gentleman on the phone. He was very knowledgeable and willing to help.
The wait for a new LD is about one year plus at least three more months for the 31 footer. Yikes! The 24 and 27 foot chassis have the new engineered chassis completed.
The factory has two LD to view. The 27 Mid Bath and 24 King Bed. We too are interested in the 31 Island Bed. We are hoping to stop by to see them on our next trip to the area.
Ron
"They upgraded to a six speed transmission so they have to re-engineer the chassis because the WB is extended to 211 inches."
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AFAIK, the wheel base on the 30'/31' has always been 211"; the frame rails of the stock 176" chassis (used for the 27') are outsourced to be cut and "spliced"/extended to accommodate the longer "box".
This is a link to the spec sheet for the 2017 Ford cutaway chassis (E-350, E-450):
2017 E-Series Cutaway | View All Specifications | Ford.com (http://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/eseries-cutaway/specifications/view-all/)
It may be that any "re-engineering" of the chassis frame is done to accommodate the larger size ("large capacity external fluid pump") of Ford's 6-speed Torq-Shift transmission and all the jiggering around of parts that would require.
??? Inquiring minds want to know! ;)
"They upgraded to a six speed transmission so they have to re-engineer the chassis "
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It may be that any "re-engineering" of the chassis frame is done to accommodate the larger size ("large capacity external fluid pump") of Ford's 6-speed Torq-Shift transmission and all the jiggering around of parts that would require.
??? Inquiring minds want to know! ;)
Yes we do!
Wonder what the six speed looks like, in comparison to the four and five speed models. It must be wider.
Interesting that Ford would go to the expense of changing the frame, or whatever needs changing, on such an old chassis, one that is supposed to be eliminated in the few few years.
Maybe there is more going on here than what meets the eye.
It will be interesting to get under one of these new rigs and see what has been changed, maybe at the Morro Bay GTG.
We almost always have one or more new rigs attend.
Larry
"It will be interesting to get under one of these new rigs and see what has been changed, maybe at the Morro Bay GTG."
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I'll bring my cardboard "slider" and join you! ;)
"It will be interesting to get under one of these new rigs and see what has been changed, maybe at the Morro Bay GTG."
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I'll bring my cardboard "slider" and join you! ;)
Poor new owner. Comes to a gathering of LDers only to find out they like them only for your 'body'.
:D ;D :D
Maybe there is more going on here than what meets the eye.
T.R.A.N.S.I.T. ?
You can see the rapid technological changes occurring in passenger trucks & automobiles. Fleet operators demand a consistent platform that has wide, ongoing support.
If LD is getting the word that there may be a heavier chassis in the works that would support the 27' but not the 31', then that would perhaps shed some light.
The growth of the class B market is money being left on the table that LD could easily grab with a 20/22' model.
The growth of the class B market is money being left on the table that LD could easily grab with a 20/22' model.
Given the current build times it doesn't seem that they are leaving any money on the table.
Jim
The main problem I see in the 31' is capacity. There really isn't much room leftover weight wise when you fill up the tanks.
I'm of the opinion that most if not all 31' are overweight and that isn't a good place to start out.
And, I don't think I'd invest in any new RV using the E series chassis anymore.
If Lazy Daze drags their feet on implementing a new chassis, they will be left behind
even more than they already are with regard to keeping up with the industry.
"If Lazy Daze drags their feet on implementing a new chassis, they will be left behind even more than they already are with regard to keeping up with the industry."
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By "keeping up", do you mean following the example of much of the RV manufacturing industry in spewing forth massive numbers of poorly-designed and engineered, sloppily and cheaply built, overweight products that undergo few, if any, quality control checks along the line?
"Change" is not necessarily "progress".
As ever, YMMV.
Joan
By keeping up, I mean Lazy Daze being the small family run business that they are, which is a great thing BTW, doesn't have the resources or for that matter desire to make some changes that even us die hard LD owners wish they would do.
And when they finally implement some of those ideas, it's usually many years down the road.
I for one, like innovation and changes for the better, if done well.
Lazy Daze can keep their core principals and still evolve into a better product with proper management.
"I'm of the opinion that most if not all 31' are overweight and that isn't a good place to start out."
If you do not own a 30/31' L.D. then you do not know whereof you speak. I am the original owner of a 2004 30'IB. Shortly after I took delivery I had Henderson's weigh my rig. It was well under limits. Since then I have had it weighed twice, both by Henderson's, and it has never been overweight. The prime object of traveling in an RV is to leave behind all the junk you have accumulated in your sticks&bricks home and go lightly down the road. My anvil and car jack do not travel with me! ::)
"And when they finally implement some of those ideas, it's usually many years down the road."
I don't think it took LD more than ten years, or so, to agree that LED lighting wasn't just another passing fad. 😉
Ed
"...Lazy Daze can keep their core principals and still evolve into a better product with proper management..."
"Maybe I'm crazy...maybe I'm blind"...sorry probably said that already.
How many RV's are there in the world that are not LD's? A lot, right? These are the ones, in my opinion, that would do well by
bettering their core principals and product line.
LD has done right by me. No complaints.
Just sayin'
Kent
"I don't think I'd invest in any new RV using the E series chassis anymore."
I can understand this POV. I sure like the newer tech stuff, and that Sprinter chassis has perhaps more miles, certainly in more countries than the E or even F series will ever get. So, proven it is.
And, to spend in the neighborhood of $100,000 on an RV would require me to be abso-freaking-lutely certain I was in love with it.
I could go much lighter to get the higher tech chassis. BUT those being built are not yet approaching the problem in a way I appreciate.
I would NOT give up my LD windows, simplicity, quality. And I would probably not pay that kind of money for an RV unless I won the lottery, so I can't be happier with my old low tech Lazy Daze.
So I for one appreciate the LD approach to development, it stands the test of time .
By keeping up, I mean Lazy Daze being the small family run business that they are, which is a great thing BTW, doesn't have the resources or for that matter desire to make some changes that even us die hard LD owners wish they would do.
Hello Jota. First I'd like to say that when it comes to RV's, I'm a
Certified Nobody. Nevertheless DW and I are exceeding pleased with our 2009 LD (2nd owners), which is our first RV.
If you have the time, I'd be very interested in hearing from you about the "changes that even die hard LD owners wish they would do." Your insights might help us with some future changes and upgrades. And thank you for taking the time to read my post.
The main problem I see in the 31' is capacity. There really isn't much room leftover weight wise when you fill up the tanks.
I'm of the opinion that most if not all 31' are overweight and that isn't a good place to start out.
While many 31' owners are very conscientious about keeping their rigs from being overweight, a lot of owners do not do so.
How do I know? There have been a lot of them my driveway over the last twenty years.
When someone backs their rig into our driveway, I can estimate the weight by watching how low the rear bumper sits and how badly it scrapes the pavement. Overweight rigs scrape, underweight one do not. I also have a hard time getting under overweight rigs.
FYI 31' models have the longest overhang of any of LD's floor plans.
I have emptied the bins of many 31' models and been amazed at how much heavy stuff some folks carry.
"They gave us all this cargo capacity so it must be OK to carry a lot of things" is the mentality.
Many times the owners are unaware of the weight problem and just need educating.
While we are at it, there are quite a few 27' models, and older 23.5' E350s, that are over the GVW or just at the limit too.
It's a problem many full timers have, especially the types who carry a good assortment of tools and supplies....or books.
We all need to periodically visit a weight station and make sure we are within the limits of the axles, no matter what floor plan we own.
The point is while most of us desire a fixed bed, there is a price to be paid for it. To build a 31' model, LD takes the longest E450 chassis available and extends it. The weight of an additional 4' of coach and frame reduces the OCCC by 1100-lbs, a significant number, compared to the 27' models, going from 2900-lbs to 1800-lbs of OCCC. That's a huge reduction. Out of the remaining 1800-lbs, you must substrate the weight of the occupants, fresh water, food, personal items, supplies, any options, tow bar, etc.
Do the math, the weight adds up very quickly. You can see why many 31' owners travel with minimal fresh water.
The CCC is even less on pre-2008 LDs. Previously, the GVW was 14,050 -lbs vs. the newer 14,500-lbs.
With a 31' model You also get about double the storage space, which leads a lot of folks into temptation and eventual trouble. Want to carry your golf clubs with you, just in case, no problem. Skis, yes, take them too. There is a lot of room to carry all your stuff.
To keep the weigh under control takes a lot of discipline. A lot of folks don't have it, they want their stuff. It's a legitimate want.
The desire for a fixed bed and adequate CCC has driven a lot of previous LD owners into Class As and DPs, there comes a point where the E450 is inadequate.
LD knows this too. They have built three heavy duty 31' rigs through the years, the GP30, the E550 and the Kodiak. All three were never built in any number due to the chassis manufacturers discontinuing production. Can't blame LD for not trying.
If you want a 31' LD, that 's fine with me, just do it with your eyes open.
Larry
Thanks for the info Larry. LD 31 Queen Bed must be well built because it has no slides and is still approaching CCC limit! I am hoping to get to the factory to see one up close soon. Love the style!
Ron
The main problem I see in the 31' is capacity. There really isn't much room leftover weight wise when you fill up the tanks.
I'm of the opinion that most if not all 31' are overweight and that isn't a good place to start out.
Jota, as a 31' owner, I respectfully and politely disagree with your assertion that capacity is a "problem" with the 31'. Considering the straightforward publicity that the 31er's CCCs gets on this forum, I think it's safe to say that most 31' owners are very much aware of carrying capacity before they order one or buy one used. As long as owners are aware of capacity, then it becomes a fact of ownership and not a problem. Each Lazy Daze floorplan has its disadvantages. Carrying capacity is the 31's. Holding tank size is the 24's, etc. We decided that the disadvantage of minimum carrying capacity was offset by having a fixed bed and a spacious lounge area with an entertainment unit.
Chris
The "1 size fits all" and "take it or leave" philosphies of this company have dissuaded from me considering LD for our next new RV purchase.
In the kitchen department, solid surface countertops with flush mount sink covers should at least be an option. Ditto for a flush mount gas range with a glass folding cover. And all units should have a pantry. I'm finding entry level RVs with these 3 items in what turns out to be a beautiful kitchen.
There should at least be an option to upgrade to a comfortable mattress in the BOC. A stock LD has no comfortable bedding in my opinion. Sleeping on anything with seams or cracks isn't going to be fun. Most folks probably do this on their own after purchase.
Additional options could include the ability to swap out a sofa for a work area or permanent Extra long twin size bed.
The roof should be designed so it doesn't need to be resealed inside of 10 years. Lake Newton should be put into permanent drought. Other manufacturers are offering 10-12 year warranties on their roof.
The paint needs to be upgraded so it doesn't fade so badly.
The plastic used on the steps and other exterior components should be upgraded to something stronger and more resistant to cracking.
Upgraded electrical options should be available from the factory for those who want them. One shouldn't have to pay 110K for an RV and then spend years and thousands of dollars upgrading it.
A standard LD "off the shelf" is a nice (albeit expensive) RV.... I'm just sayin....
Todd
Most of my desired upgrades/options wouldn't require any re-engineering or major increase in weight. I'm not asking for slides!
As long as owners are aware of capacity ... it becomes a fact of ownership and not a problem ... (any) disadvantage of minimum carrying capacity is offset by a fixed bed and a spacious lounge area ... Chris
Our 31TB is far superior to our previous 26MB. We agree with Chris !
"Each Lazy Daze floorplan has its disadvantages. Carrying capacity is the 31's. Holding tank size is the 24's"
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It's true that 24' TK models had an 18-gallon black tank capacity, but the FL and the FD always had more, and with the 2010 24' models, the black tank capacity went to 28 gallons and the grey to 32 for all 24' rigs. (The propane capacity increased, too.)
I know someone with a 30' IB. They were so overloaded it was amazing. As mentioned, it becomes the owners responsibility
to learn the capacity of their rig. In my experience, a lot of RV's are overweight, especially when more than one person is involved. The large amount of carrying space in some of these rigs just lends to abuse and the manufacturers don't seem to acknowledge this in a meaningful way when trying to sell you the thing. If they said, a six pack and a bag of chips is all you can safely carry once you put all the other things in... how many would they actually sell then?
"The "1 size fits all" and "take it or leave" philosphies of this company have dissuaded from me considering LD for our next new RV purchase."
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It should be understood and accepted that Lazy Daze offers a factory-direct product, not a custom product; it is not the RV manufacturing equivalent of Burger King. I can understand why people might want to be able to choose from a long list of options and "extras", but although some of us have been able to have "minor" pre-delivery changes made, LD's business model is not likely to change to accommodate those who want to have a customized/personalized rig at delivery. The size, scope, and assembly modes of the manufacturing location, facility, and personnel don't lend themselves to producing customized rigs; if a person wishes to pick "one from column A, two from column B..." past a limited point of available options, buying a product from a different company is in that person's future.
Certainly, no RV is perfect; every one of them has "warts" (and many have a LOT of "warts") and/or issues and/or items that could be functionally and/or cosmetically improved, and LD is no exception. People choose LDs over another class C for a variety of reasons; if the total LD "package" doesn't work for a potential buyer, another manufacturer and dealer will be very happy to take one's money.
As ever, YMMV.
Joan
"The "1 size fits all" and "take it or leave" philosphies of this company have dissuaded from me considering LD for our next new RV purchase. "
Well, I hear you, but be careful what you wish for. A longtime LD owner and contributor to the old forum decided he wanted some customization as well. He researched the heck out of competing Class C manufacturers, visited multiple factories, and was convinced he found a manufacturer of similar quality and greater flexibility. Within a year of taking delivery (and selling his LD) he was ready to throw in the towel over manufacturing deficiencies, and said he had made a mistake. Of course, YMMV, but just sayin'. 🤔
-- Jon
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"The "1 size fits all" and "take it or leave" philosphies of this company have dissuaded from me considering LD for our next new RV purchase."
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"...another manufacturer and dealer will be very happy to take one's money..."
To paraphrase Bill Murray from Meatballs..."Even if the Mothership cast aside their traditional business model...
Even if the Mothership offered five choices of countertops and a spacious pantry as an option...
Even if the Mothership offered a durable paint job that could last to Saturn and back...
Even if the Mothership would accommodate the varied desires for upgrades and "improvements" that would suit a handful of buyers...Even if....."
You'd still have a Lazy Daze but at what cost? Even here on our beloved LDO, some balk at the sticker price of a standard equipped LD. Start counting your pennies and that once $100,000 beauty will quickly climb to $120,000 $150,000...$200,000 anyone?
One look at a so called customized Nexus and you will see the true cost of your wish list.
LD includes several standard equipment items that SOB manufactures tag on added costs to include.
Then there is the potential to add failures to our
Wondercoach due to the less tried and true options. Ouch!
Many people accept LD for what it is. Some jump ship only to return after the bitter taste of an SOB becomes too much to bare.
Some may agree that some LD warts are unbearable while others embrace them as part of its charm. I've not met anyone in the past year that has said "what a POS your LD is". The opposite has been the case 100% of the time.
Just sayin'
Kent
I did my homework when looking for an RV. After joining this group it took me over a year to find the right one for me.
I got lucky, I bought it from the original owners who took very good care of it. Something I've since learned is a common trait of LD owners. There are so many great things about the way LD does things, there are also some frustrations, less than most RV companies but still.
As a comparison Born Free now offers their units on a truck chassis. Maybe they have seen the end of the E series chassis
sooner than LD, but they have prepared for the inevitable while LD still hasn't even said what they will be doing, at least I haven't heard.
I know LD got burned with the Kodiak chassis, that would have been a huge improvement for the 31'. Hopefully they find something that will continue the quality we all have come to expect and bring them forward into the future.
I see too many happy campers in SOB, often with 10-20 year old rigs, to drink the LD koolaid that everything else out there is garbage. The company depends on people like you to sustain it's business model. Most of my suggestions wouldn't cost more money. The company is too lazy to change, whoever owns it has cleaned up and is riding a wave. The owners of LD couldn't care less about any of us or how we use their product. Todd
I see too many happy campers in SOB, often with 10-20 year old rigs, to drink the LD koolaid that everything else out there is garbage. The company depends on people like you to sustain it's business model. Most of my suggestions wouldn't cost more money. The company is too lazy to change, whoever owns it has cleaned up and is riding a wave. The owners of LD couldn't care less about any of us or how we use their product. Todd
Todd, you're certainly entitled to your own opinions, but why the attitude? I don't recall anyone in any of the multiple discussions on this and related topics state that "everything else out there is garbage". There's no need to be rude or snarky or insulting; if buying a(nother) LD doesn't fit your RV lifestyle plans, I hope you find something that does.
Good luck to you.
Life is too short and too enjoyable to live out with the sour taste of anger eating at your gut.
Hey there Todd,
Pardon me, but I just revisited your four years of posts. Your enthusiasm for LD has been significant and all your posts and input have been very encouraging. Thanks for that. I have always enjoyed your side of LD life.
There comes a time in all of our lives where we must make changes and readjust to things. Your interest in other RV manufacturers is understandable. You have done well by your Bessie and someone will be lucky to carry on providing the same level of care you have provided her. Well done.
You of course know, by now, that LDO members are a proud breed. We are also a caring group that wish only the best for our fellow enthusiasts. No matter the coach they steer down the road.
Yes, there are plenty of dependable coach manufactures, but many of us have staked a claim on LD. That's just us.
Understand that we do...understand.
Stay proud of your choices and enjoy life as we here encourage one another to do the same.
All our best to your choice of RV. Ya never know...Not all life's decisions are final. Wiggle room is always a good idea.
Later, friend.
Kent
Flogging from Kent and JCT expected and taken. (Still red on the behind).😀
I hope my observations and opinions didn't offend anyone. Our LD has given us a lot of joy. We bought a new Winnebago MW 31D today. We wish you all the best, this has been a great group. Our '99 RB is on RV Trader (over 50 photos). We will be bringing it to ppl (not sure which of the 3 locations) in Texas on consignment mid Nov if it doesn't sell soon.
Special thanks to Andy, Larry, Joan and Roger for all your support over the years.
I hope my observations and opinions didn't offend anyone. Our LD has given us a lot of joy. We bought a new Winnebago MW 31D today. We wish you all the best, this has been a great group. Our '99 RB is on RV Trader (over 50 photos). We will be bringing it to ppl (not sure which of the 3 locations) in Texas on consignment mid Nov if it doesn't sell soon.
Special thanks to Andy, Larry, Joan and Roger for all your support over the years.
So the burning question is, does it have a slide? ;D
Haven't known you long, Todd, but thanks for your insights and help as I continue my decision process. Best of luck and safe travels to ya'll!
So the burning question is, does it have a slide? ;D
Haven't known you long, Todd, but thanks for your insights and help as I continue my decision process. Best of luck and safe travels to ya'll!
According to the website it has 3 slides. Wonder what the weight out the door is given that and a length of 32'9"?
https://winnebagoind.com/binaries/content/assets/brochures/2017/mw-2017-preview.01.pdf
Jim
According to the website it has 3 slides. Wonder what the weight out the door is given that and a length of 32'9"?
https://winnebagoind.com/binaries/content/assets/brochures/2017/mw-2017-preview.01.pdf
What is Winnebago building these things out of? Super-lightweight Unobtainium?
It's almost two feet longer than a 31' LD and has three slides.
How in the world can they do this and provide the needed structural strength, while keeping the CCC at reasonable level?
Really, three slides?
I did notice that the Winnebago Factory specs forgot, as usual, to state the CCC.
Well, it will be interesting to see how rigs like this, built on a E450 chassis, age.
One question Todd, did you have it weighted before writing the check?
Inquiring minds need to know.
Larry
I hope my observations and opinions didn't offend anyone. Our LD has given us a lot of joy. We bought a new Winnebago MW 31D today.
Congratulations on getting a new RV. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. No your observations and/opinions didn't offend me. We are are free to look and observe - that's the joy of being human.
BTW I have looked high and low for the Unloaded Vehicle Weight or the Wet Vehicle Weight or the Occupant and Cargo Carrying Capacity. Todd if you have the numbers I'd be very interested in seeing them.
I think the 31D model has "only" two slides, from the spec sheet. Still . . .
I think the 31D model has "only" two slides, from the spec sheet. Still . . .
Looks like the bed squirts straight out the back, too. I guess that would be considered a slide-out, yah?
Looks like the bed squirts straight out the back, too. I guess that would be considered a slide-out, yah?
Yup, I missed that puppy!
We have a 2006 31' Anniversary Edition we have had for about 8 years. The manual awning would be impossible for me to extend without my husband's help. Love the separate shower and separate bathroom. What is nice about the shower is it is a one piece unit without seams while other brands need to be caulked continually. Our end caps on the exterior have cracks in the back which we need to address sometime soon. Do not have a black tank flush system. Do need to replace the gate valve but looks pretty easy watching various videos. Our bedroom window just lost it's seal and is fogged. After speaking with Vince it will cost around $1200 to replace at Mothership which is about 400 miles from us. All in all we love it above other brands. We also have a tow vehicle which has not caused problems with rig.
What is Winnebago building these things out of? Super-lightweight Unobtainium?
It's almost two feet longer than a 31' LD and has three slides.
How in the world can they do this and provide the needed structural strength, while keeping the CCC at reasonable level?
Really, three slides?
I did notice that the Winnebago Factory specs forgot, as usual, to state the CCC.
Well, it will be interesting to see how rigs like this, built on a E450 chassis, age.
One question Todd, did you have it weighted before writing the check?
Inquiring minds need to know.
Larry
Ten days ago I sent an email to Winnebago asking about weights. Here is their response.
Winnebago Sales
1:24 PM (3 hours ago)
Reply
to me
Hello Jim,
Thank you for contacting Winnebago.
331D
GVWR-14,500
GCWR-22,000
Dry-11,638
Wet- 12,452
UVW-11,968
MAX CARGO-2500
Thank you,
Winnebago
Following up on the above post from Jim & Gayle.
Lazy Daze 31 Island Twin Bed
UVW 12,664 or 12,686
WWV 13,162 or 13,184
OCCC 1,836 or 1,814.
Just something to ponder.
I assume the above cargo weight does not include any optional equipment. Here's a partial list from a quick look:
Optional Equipment:
Dual-glazed, thermo-insulated windows
2 deep-cycle batteries (included w/Convenience Package)
Sofa sleeper (31D, 31K)
3-burner range w/oven
Slides add weight. I find it very difficult to believe that this would have greater O.C.C.C. than a 31' LD with standard equipment. There is no fixed definition of "standard equipment" in the RV industry.
It's amazing how difficult it is to find actual weights , even from owners who put their rigs in scales. I'm not thinking a vast conspiracy. Maybe a teeny one? No, that's ridiculous. Just a coincidence
(Emoticon for tongue in cheek)
Ten days ago I sent an email to Winnebago asking about weights. Here is their response.
Winnebago Sales
1:24 PM (3 hours ago)
Reply
to me
Hello Jim,
Thank you for contacting Winnebago.
331D
GVWR-14,500
GCWR-22,000
Dry-11,638
Wet- 12,452
UVW-11,968
MAX CARGO-2500
Thank you,
Winnebago
Last week we rented a Winnebago 25B for 10 days to camp in Yosemite Valley. By checking the label on the driver side door, it shows a OCCC number of 1640 lbs or 743 kg, which is way below the LD 27's 2800 lbs. With their 31D model, I guess it must be even worse than the 25B, I am not sure how they manage to come up with the 2500 OCCC number.
In the current issue of MotorHome magazine, an article lists the Minnie Winnie 31G's OCCC as 1,440 lbs. This included full water and water heater, fuel, and LP. It did not include supplies or passengers. The front axle's weight was 3,980 lbs and the rear axle's weight was 9,080 lbs for a total of 13,080 lbs on the 14,500 lbs chassis. Btw, it has one (1) wall side.
And so it goes.